Monday 5 September 1664

Up and to St. James’s, and there did our business with the Duke; where all our discourse of warr in the highest measure. Prince Rupert was with us; who is fitting himself to go to sea in the Heneretta. And afterwards in White Hall I met him and Mr. Gray, and he spoke to me, and in other discourse, says he, “God damn me, I can answer but for one ship, and in that I will do my part; for it is not in that as in an army, where a man can command every thing.” By and by to a Committee for the Fishery, the Duke of Yorke there, where, after Duke was made Secretary, we fell to name a Committee, whereof I was willing to be one, because I would have my hand in the business, to understand it and be known in doing something in it; and so, after cutting out work for the Committee, we rose, and I to my wife to Unthanke’s, and with her from shop to shop, laying out near 10l. this morning in clothes for her. And so I to the ‘Change, where a while, and so home and to dinner, and thither came W. Bowyer and dined with us; but strange to see how he could not endure onyons in sauce to lamb, but was overcome with the sight of it, and so- was forced to make his dinner of an egg or two. He tells us how Mrs. Lane is undone, by her marrying so bad, and desires to speak with me, which I know is wholly to get me to do something for her to get her husband a place, which he is in no wise fit for. After dinner down to Woolwich with a gaily, and then to Deptford, and so home, all the way reading Sir J. Suck[l]ing’s “Aglaura,” which, methinks, is but a mean play; nothing of design in it. Coming home it is strange to see how I was troubled to find my wife, but in a necessary compliment, expecting Mr. Pen to see her, who had been there and was by her people denied, which, he having been three times, she thought not fit he should be any more. But yet even this did raise my jealousy presently and much vex me. However, he did not come, which pleased me, and I to supper, and to the office till 9 o’clock or thereabouts, and so home to bed. My aunt James had been here to-day with Kate Joyce twice to see us. The second time my wife was at home, and they it seems are going down to Brampton, which I am sorry for, for the charge that my father will be put to. But it must be borne with, and my mother has a mind to see them, but I do condemn myself mightily for my pride and contempt of my aunt and kindred that are not so high as myself, that I have not seen her all this while, nor invited her all this while.

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Pedro   Link to this

The Henrietta link is to the yacht and not this warship...

In the Fleet List for April 65 the warship Henrietta is 3rd rate with 300 men and 58 guns under the command of Walter Woods.

On the 10th of August the yacht was is the Downs...

"Captain Pett came into the Downs in the Henrietta yacht" (Sandwich Journal).

Robert Gertz   Link to this

Denied or visited three times, then denied? Naturally the denied 3 is more fun for us...

JWB   Link to this

"But yet even this did raise my jealousy presently and much vex me."

Had Sam just read:

Aglaura I. v. 1-7.
"Thinke you it is not then
The little jealousies (my Lord) and feares,
Joy mixt with doubt, and doubt reviv'd with hope
That crownes all love with pleasure?"?

Todd Bernhardt   Link to this

Phil, the link to "Mr. Pen" above should go to Junior, I think, rather than Sir William.

"But Mrs. Pepys, I just want to practice ma Francais avec vous!"

Love the dialog from Rupert. It's always great to "hear" a snatch of real dialog from that time...

Paul Chapin   Link to this

I agree with Todd. Sam always refers to Sir W. Penn as such, not "Mr. Pen." And besides, whatever else his complaints about the gouty old admiral, jealousy has not been one of them, for fairly clear reasons.

JWB   Link to this

"...where a man can command every thing." Ruprecht

Like calvary on the right at Naseby?

Australian Susan   Link to this

Onion sauce with lamb.

This will now be older lamb - the spring lamb would have had mint sauce to accompany it. Strange that he could not have had the lamb without the sauce - or maybe the lamb was served up smothered in the sauce? Sam obviously thinks the behaviour is rather odd as he notes it in the Diary. Reminds me of a gem from the great Kaz Cooke's Little Book of Diet and Exercise: "When eating at a friend's house, politely refuse anything they have cooked and instead eat paper-thin celery slices from your own Tupperware container." Here's a weblink for information about KC.
http://www.onyasoapbox.com/talent/show.php?id=2...

Australian Susan   Link to this

JWB
An intentional typo? It's quite apt.

Here's a trivia quiz on the Prince

http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz557166639...

(yes, I'm not at work today....)

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"...where a man can command every thing."

But at least Cromwell's not there...

Australian Susan   Link to this

From yesterday: "..by which I shall leave myself very bare in clothes,.." and today "..and I to my wife to Unthanke's, and with her from shop to shop, laying out near 10l. this morning in clothes for her..." Very selfless behaviour here from the tailor's son! Wonder when we will next have a description of a fine velvet suit or whatever for himself.

jeannine   Link to this

"God damn me, I can answer but for one ship, and in that I will do my part; for it is not in that as in an army, where a man can command every thing."

I'd love to see Sam's face when he heard this comment. From Rupert's perspective I can imagine a sense of frustration as this is in a sense a demotion for him. In his younger days, under Charles I, he was a much more prominent player in battle and had a broader command of the Army. It probably hit at his ego to be moved from a more solo role of calling the shots to being a 'team player'. Plus the DOY is younger than he is, has far less skill in battle, etc. so having a younger, less experienced boss would be frustrating for anyone I suppose.

language hat   Link to this

"because I would have my hand in the business, to understand it and be known in doing something in it"

Pepys in a nutshell.

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"...with her from shop to shop, laying out near 10l. this morning in clothes for her..."

Hmmn. Round up the usual suspects. Oh, right the thing with Jane.

Robert Gertz   Link to this

And of course the dashing young Mr. Penn with his fancy French education and elegant manners... Definitely time to show who's the better provider.

Rob   Link to this

What is "down to Woolwich with a gaily", please??

Terry F   Link to this

Mr. William Penn was born in October of 1644, and Elizabeth St. Michel b. in October 1640, so they are almost 20 and 24, contemporaries with hormones raging, and he just come back dandified and style-conscious from France -- not her native land, but where she was reared --, and so they may have lots to talk about. (I wonder if her shopping's at all informed by tips from Penn.)

Rob, "a gaily" is a galley, sc. large rowed boat, here a water-taxi on the Thames.

Cum Grano Salis   Link to this

Gaily? my ass u me for the day. It be a mis print and it could be "daily". Instead of taking the company boat or private Oarsman, Samuell, to save couple of farthings, for they be needed to fatten the wardrobe, decided to go with bus mob [hoydens] for his trip to Woolwich. There were regular Hoys [transports] from London bridge to the lower reaches of the thames that provide daily service for those that took their goods with them , or did not want a sore derriere or shaken
spine using a nag or the wheeled transport.
Hoy, a word in spanish meaning day but the Macadamiens say no connection, was the daily boat .

Hoy 'A small vessel, usually rigged as a sloop, and employed in carrying passengers and goods, particularly in short distances on the sea-coast' (Smyth Sailor's Word-bk.).from the Dutch word [MDu. hoei, pl. hoeyen].
1495
1661 PEPYS Diary 16 June, To hire a Margate Hoy.

hoyden 2. A rude, or ill-bred girl (or woman); a boisterous noisy girl, a romp.

Mary   Link to this

"down to Woolwich with a galley"

is the logical L&M reading. i.e. by boat.

Australian Susan   Link to this

Gaily, galley or daily

How we interpret this word gives insight into which bit of Sam's personality is dominant at this instance: he likes to save money, so our salty friend's concept of Sam getting the equivalent of a 'bus fits in, but he also likes to show he's a somebody in the Naval Office, so commanding a private vessel for himself to arrive in is important - making a bit of a fuss and a show as he gets out maybe. So either would fit. What is Sam being today? As he has just found himself (Oh Joy!) worth >1000 pounds and has gone round the dress shops and to the tailor's with ne'er a complaint (Although I take RG's point about the Jane aspect!), I think he is in expansive I'm worth something mood and this is a galley, not a daily. Maybe, he'll start taking that transport (or walking part of the way) when the dress bills come in....

Terry F   Link to this

gaily, galley

We've had the Q and a digressive discussion at least once before, and I quoted L&M's Large Glossary (in the Companion) of which my post above is a version.

Cum Grano Salis   Link to this

Galley link:
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1663/12/18/

Phil Gyford   Link to this

Thanks for the pointer re Mr Penn -- my mistake, now corrected. I've also added a page for gaily/gally to clear up the confusion in any future entries too.

Phil Gyford   Link to this

I've changed the link to the Henrietta -- there are two ships of this name, and they both now have separate pages in the Encyclopedia. Thanks to Pedro for the correction.

Kevin Peter   Link to this

W. Bowyer's refusal of onions reminds me very much of my wife. She hates the taste and texture of onions so much that she'll gag and spit up the food if she eats anything containing even a small amount of onions (raw or cooked). I suspect this is due to a bad childhood experience where she became sick and threw up after eating an onion-heavy meal. She will not touch anything with onions, even if it is something with onions in the sauce, like Sam is having served today. She would rather starve than eat food containing onions, which is strange to me, since I love onions. I usually will make a separate onion-free version of whatever I'm cooking so that she'll eat it.

I wouldn't surprise me if W. Bowyer has a similar loathing of onions, leaving him unable to eat the lamb.

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