Tuesday 14 April 1663

Up betimes to my office, where busy till 8 o’clock that Sir W. Batten, Sir J. Minnes, Sir W. Pen and I down by barge to Woolwich, to see “The Royal James” launched, where she has been under repair a great while. We staid in the yard till almost noon, and then to Mr. Falconer’s to a dinner of fish of our own sending, and when it was just ready to come upon the table, word is brought that the King and Duke are come, so they all went away to shew themselves, while I staid and had a little dish or two by myself, resolving to go home, and by the time I had dined they came again, having gone to little purpose, the King, I believe, taking little notice of them. So they to dinner, and I staid a little with them, and so good bye. I walked to Greenwich, studying the slide rule for measuring of timber, which is very fine. Thence to Deptford by water, and walked through the yard, and so walked to Redriffe, and so home pretty weary, to my office, where anon they all came home, the ship well launched, and so sat at the office till 9 at night, and I longer doing business at my office, and so home to supper, my father being come, and to bed. Sir G. Carteret tells me to-night that he perceives the Parliament is likely to make a great bustle before they will give the King any money; will call all things into question; and, above all, the expences of the Navy; and do enquire into the King’s expences everywhere, and into the truth of the report of people being forced to sell their bills at 15 per cent. loss in the Navy; and, lastly, that they are in a very angry pettish mood at present, and not likely to be better.

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TerryF   Link to this

"So they to dinner, and I staid a little with them, and so good bye."

Pepys has used "good bye" only once before, last 11 August 1662
"Cooper came and read his last lecture to me upon my modell, and so bid me good bye"
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1662/08/11/

and used "goodbye" only on 28 July 1662 "I took a troubled though willing goodbye [to my wife and the others sent to Brampton pro tem], because of the bad condition of my house to have a family in it." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1662/07/28/

I wonder how often other Diary-keepers record such an ordinary and frequent valediction?

JWB   Link to this

"slide rule"
Well, I guess he was not referring to "timber scales" as I previously posted.

in Aqua Scripto   Link to this

Poor Old James [Richard, under Cromwell] was decommissioned
July 2nd then demasted and stripped for refurbishing, must have given Sandwich conniptions on his sail back from his trip to the Corsair country and Lisbon, as Pepys tells of the docking difficulties of this ship July 21, requiring two ship yards of men to to get it right.
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1662/07/21/
So now she be relaunched after a makeover.

in Aqua Scripto   Link to this

Slide rule: AH!10 times 9, times 15, divided by 4, be?

in Aqua Scripto   Link to this

...a dinner of fish of our own sending, and when it was just ready to come upon the table, word is brought that the King and Duke are come, so they all went away to shew themselves, while I staid and had a little dish or two by myself, resolving to go home, and by the time I had dined they came again, having gone to little purpose, the King, I believe, taking little notice of them...."
Waste not, want not especially when it could get cold, how bla[h]se[y] can ye be Samuell?

in Aqua Scripto   Link to this

Cost of Debt and Loans at the local bankers;"... into the truth of the report of people being forced to sell their bills at 15 per cent. loss in the Navy;..."

TerryF   Link to this

" slide rule"

I am puzzled, JWB, like you, I suppose - What would a " slide rule for measuring of timber" be like?

in Aqua Scripto   Link to this

Measuring, a] be calculating the footage of wood, b]how many spars there be in the stack of timbers, 3] how many planks there [2 by 4's ] etc..
Timber according to L&M be wood for the frame of a ship vs planks and deals used for decks ,cabins, gun carriages.
so may be calculating the requirements, seeing if any one be miscalculating the costs to the detriment of the Crown.

Australian Susan   Link to this

"angry pettish mood"

Sounds as though he's describing a two year old having a tantrum, but did "pettish" have these juvenile attributes then? Or is Sam not being that rude?

Bradford   Link to this

Fairly recently we had a discussion about this handy device for measuring timber, and when I lamented not understanding it someone kindly explained it in great detail---so perhaps that could help someone else in locating it again. I am still amazed that, once upon a time, I passed the SAT Math section.

"they all went away to shew themselves, while I staid and had a little dish or two by myself,"
---a delightful passage recalling, on this Holy Weekend, the Proverb that "Stolen waters are sweet, and bread eaten in secret is pleasant."
(9:17)

dirk   Link to this

"the report of people being forced to sell their bills at 15 per cent. loss in the Navy"

This is an old sore!

On Tuesday 11 June 1661 "the credit of the office is brought so low, that none will sell us any thing without our personal security given for the same."
http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1661/06/11
On Wednesday 14 August of that same year Sam complains about "how our own very bills are offered upon the Exchange, to be sold at 20 in the 100 loss." The Duke of York "is much troubled at it, and will speak to the King and Council of it."
http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1661/08/14

Jesse   Link to this

"[H]ad a little dish or two by myself"

Man after my own heart. I wonder if he suspected that the trip would be "to little purpose" - though why wouldn't his companions have known better? "[T]he King, I believe, taking little notice of them."

TerryF   Link to this

"why wouldn’t his companions have known better?"

Vainglory? memory of former celebrity?

in Aqua Scripto   Link to this

"... taking little notice of them..." Many suffer the hope of being acknowledged by a body of consequence, in the hopes that thee can say " see I be someone as he did grin my way", or if thee be lucky to get thy mug shot with the history making geezer, then mount same in thy room of Office so thee can contemplate the 'wot' ifs. 'Tis that old alfa syndrome of being recognised and all the glory becomes thine.
Mind you, it does give one a glow when thy be called by thy name by one of the Savvy leaders [ of course he was fully informed by a list holding flunky by hissing in 'is ear thy moniker].
'Tis the same for that piece of colored cotton called a ribbon that be a medalion pinned on thy puffed out chest..
Recognition be thy goal.

Alan Bedford   Link to this

“why wouldn’t his companions have known better?”

I think Terry got it right: vainglory - and the importance of taking every opportunity to be seen by the boss (the Duke) as well as the King. Especially since they're in the shipyard area.

Actually, I'm a little surprised that Samuel did not join them. Perhaps not wishing to be that closely associated with this entire group. Or perhaps not invited. Perhaps Robert Gertz can provide some dialogue...

Bergie   Link to this

The catlike Sam

...they all went away to shew themselves, while I staid and had a little dish or two by myself...

This passage reminds me of the familiar domestic scene in which master and mistress rise to answer the door, and kitty jumps on the table for "a little dish or two" of fish.

TerryF   Link to this

i.A.S. agreeth

TerryF   Link to this

Bradford, re the explanation of what is linked to "slide rule", was it 25 March, http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1663/03/25/

JWB - Bradford,not a slide rule, but different scales on the same stick. As Dr Stephen Johnston says: “Imagine a square piece of timber. The length of one side of the square is measured on the rule’s inch scale and the corresponding mark on the timber scale is located. Then the distance from that point to the end of the rule directly gives the length of a cubic foot of this timber. That dimension can be taken with a pair of dividers, such as would be found among the tools of any carpenter, whether on land or at sea. Then, stepping the dividers along the length of the timber allows the user simply to count out the cubic feet contained in the timber.
So we again have mathematical skills without formal symbolic representation: the “calculation” is done by manipulation of rulers and dividers rather than on paper.”
http://www.gresham.ac.uk/event.asp?PageId=39&Ev...

and

George R - “not a slide rule, but different scales on the same stick. As Dr Stephen Johnston says: “Imagine a square piece of timber. The length of one side of the square is measured on the rule’s inch scale and the corresponding mark on the timber scale is located”
That sounds more like it. As a lad I had to learn how to use the scales on the body of a roofing square. One of them was “Essex board measure” and was very much as described to obtain board feet from the overall dimensions of a log. Never used it in fifty years and now it’s all gone metric and calculators anyway.

TerryF   Link to this

On 24th March, the day before, we read "Thence Sir J. Minnes and I homewards calling at Browne's, the mathematician in the Minnerys, with a design of buying White's ruler to measure timber with, but could not agree on the price."

L&M note, perhaps misleaingly to us who have had a slip-stick, that 'White's ruler' is an early type of slide-rule, "inscribed with logarythmic scales; used, e.g. for calculatation of area or volume", so that in Aqua Scripto's impression of its use may be about right.

Robert Gertz   Link to this

I dunno know Sam...Remember what happened last time Parliament was in an "angry, pettish mood". The honeymoon appears to be ending...

***

"But where is our Mr. Pepys?" York eyes what appears to be the 17th century version of the Three Stooges, fawning at his and Charlie's feet.

"Dinner, your Grace." Penn makes the deadly thrust.

"Dinner? But...?" York looks at Charles who shakes his head.

"Did no one tell him today was the day the King intended to knight him?"

Ummn...The boys look at each other.

"Why...Certainly, your Grace." Penn nods. "Absolutely." Batten affirms. "Pon my soul, I fear the lad does not care for a title, your Grace, given his lack of an estate." Minnes gives the death blow.

"Well, if the man cares not..." York frowns. Charles shrugging...Probably the sensible thing, he suggests. The man always seemed a practical lad.

"Though give him to understand, gentlemen. I don't give these things out every day." Charles notes.

"The boy doesn't want it, fellows." he turns to his brace of trumpters and guard of honor, handing one the relevant documents. "Back to Whitehall."

Mutual grin among the three...Turning quickly to solemn looks at Duke and King.

Thus is greatness lost...

in Aqua Scripto   Link to this

"“Though give him to understand, gentlemen. I don’t give these things out every day.” Charles notes."
Carlo also be a thinkin' there is that problem of cash to pay for the documents [those greedy clerks] [gold soveriegns cerated too] too, he needs to put more fa[r]things into the envelope too.
PS Titles can't be bought they say?

A. Hamilton   Link to this

logarythmic scales

just the thing for measuring timber (apologies to the Napier family)

TerryF   Link to this

Call of the House.

Ordered, That the House be Called over on Mondayfortnight, upon Pain of Five Pounds to be paid by every Member, that shall be then absent, whose Excuse the House shall not allow.

Adjournment.
Ordered, That the House be adjourned till To-morrowfortnight.

And then the House adjourned itself accordingly, till To-morrow-fortnight, Nine of the Clock in the Morning.

From: 'House of Commons Journal Volume 8: 14 April 1663', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 8: 1660-1667 (1802), p. 472. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?com.... Date accessed: 15 April 2006.

The parliament's disquiet over the Navy accounts are not brought to the floor, but may be in the committee concerning HM Revenues, &c.

in Aqua Scripto   Link to this

Loggers use a log scale:
http://www.genesisny.net/Commodity/Timber/Timbe...
Slide rule:[wood and brass fittings too] It could be a ruler that slides in and out with right angle bar with scale attached. The board has calculations etched on , used to calculate the yields available from a given piece of Timber it measures, i.e. the depth and width, and useing the known length make the appropiate calculations. It could be used to verify that a 2 x 4 be a 2 x 4 and not 1.75 x 3.75, [4x4 not under cut] as there will be some [?] that will try to get higher yields from a given trunk, there by more cash?
T[ri] squares be an old method to mark and calculate, and ensure that thy block be square and not some trapezoid or worse.
There was a similar device for check ropes available at auction. Tools use to be wonderful pieces of artwork too, I possesing some wonderful brass and box wood rulers and T squares, etc., that came into my possesion from a Cabinet maker relative.

Miriam   Link to this

Before donning bonnet remove bees.

JonTom Kittredge   Link to this

“Why wouldn’t his companions have known better?”
As far as why Sam alone did not try to scrape acknowledgement from HRM and HRH: perhaps because he was the lowest ranking of the company. Wasn't he the only one without a knighthood? So perhaps he had the least expectation of recognition. He also had the most realistic expectation, as it turned out.

Todd Bernhardt   Link to this

As the most junior member of the crew, Sam is also the most idealistic, and so in addition to being a pragmatist about such gatherings (he realizes there's very little chance of actually getting noticed), he'd rather keep his head down and get some work done, rather than being a suck-up. Or being perceived as one.

in Aqua Scripto   Link to this

TB: et. practical too ,"...had a little dish or two by myself..."

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