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First Reading

cumsalisgranis  •  Link

Ticket, an official printed or written document, that contains at least 4 of the following: Why [payout, payin],where [location seat and row ?],how [much,or method of transfer of wealth], whom {the bearer, to or for] and when [due]. Due the lack of hard definition a Ticket will and does create problems.

cumsalisgranis  •  Link

Ticket was spelt many ways and used in different contexts:
From OED: Ticquet,tikket,tykkatt,tyckett, tiket,.etc.,
said to be from etiket. F: etiquet: a little note,bruiate, bill or ticket. Any inscription,subsciption,title note or marke set... a token, Billet or ticket.
Ticket Porter back in 1646; [Tackle house] ;A short written notice or document [a ticket in writing] C1600. A written notice for public information as in Fullers Wothies [1661]; could be used as a visiting card:[1673] or as an invitation card
1682 Parties invited by Tickets,of which any man might have for a guiney 1682.
a writing in which something is certified or Authorized, a certificate or voucher, a warrant, licence,
Permit Evelyn 28 Aug 1641
['...was Matriculated by the then Magnficus Proffessor who first in Latine demanded of me ........then deliver'd me a tickett, by virtue whereof I was made Exise-free; {power of privilege} [ great description of Holland too {from E.S. de Beer, the Diary of John Evelyn pg 30} ]

1596 Spenser, state Irel. There should be a pay master appoynted, of speciall trust, which should paye everye man according to his captaynes tickett, and the accompte of the clark of his bande.:
[uprooted form OED}

cumsalisgranis  •  Link

Sam Pepys uses the word ticket in different forms:
Entry permission, an IOU, A general written Order, a statement of qualifications , notice of event or action.
Later in the Diary we get involved in the Ticket Office.
also back in the 1644 there be a Ticket of Sufferance
also one was issued a ticket of proof of attending Communion [ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/… ]

1: a pay warrant esp as a discharge warrant in which the amount of pay due to a soldier or sailor is certified.[ pepys 65 5 dec]
"...Various expedients were adopted to deal with the business arising from the examination of seamen's tickets. The Ticket Office was usually managed by one of the members of the Navy Board. Its management was taken out of the hands of the Controller in 1668 and entrusted to the Controller of Treasurer's Accounts...."

From: 'Introduction', Office-Holders in Modern Britain: Volume VII: Navy Board Officials 1660-1832 (1978) pp. 1-17 URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/…. Date accessed: 10 April 2005
from British-History site above gives lots of info:

another use of Ticket was to attend Big time Funerals as Pepys did
"...while I am now writing comes one with a tickett to invite me to Captain Robert Blake

Cumgranissalis  •  Link

"hence to the Treasury to Sir J. Minnes paying off of tickets" interesting, the Man himself paying off, not some under clerk [oct 24 '62]

Second Reading

Bill  •  Link

The system of tickets afterwards gave great trouble, and caused much discontent.
---Diary and correspondence of Samuel Pepys, the diary deciphered by J. Smith. 1854.

Chris Squire UK  •  Link

OED has:

‘ticket, n.1 < obsolete French etiquet . .
1. a. A short written notice or document; a memorandum, a note, a billet . .
. . 1661 S. Pepys Diary 12 Apr. (1970) II. 73 While I am now writing, comes one with a tickett to invite me to Captain Robt. Blakes buriall.

. . 6. a. A pay-warrant; esp. a discharge warrant in which the amount of pay due to a soldier or sailor is certified . .
. . 1665 S. Pepys Diary 5 Dec. (1972) VI. 319 Mr. Stevens (who is..paying of seamen of their tickets at Depford).

. . ticket-monger n. Obs. one who trafficked in the pay-warrants of seamen, giving ready money with a large deduction, and then presenting them for payment.
1668 S. Pepys Diary 5 Mar. (1976) IX. 103 To answer only one question, touching our paying tickets to ticket-mongers.’

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

the ticket-office,

L&M Companion: 'Conveniently placed for seamen, between the river and the Navy Office -- until the Fire in a rented house on Tower Hill; afterwards in a house built for the purpose in Colchester Street close by.

In 1683 it moved to a two story wing of the new Navy Office, with a separate entrance from Seething Lane."

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

Ticket stubs:

30 November, 1660
"To the office, where Sir G. Carteret did give us an account how Mr. Holland (John Holland, Surveyor of the Navy, 1649-52) do intend to prevail with the Parliament to try his project of discharging the seamen all at present by ticket, and so promise interest to all men that will lend money upon them at eight per cent., for so long as they are unpaid; whereby he do think to take away the growing debt, which do now lie upon the kingdom for lack of present money to discharge the seamen. But this we are troubled at as some diminution to us."

3 December, 1660
"Sir G. Carteret did begin again discourse on Mr. Holland’s1 proposition, which the King do take very ill, and so Sir George in lieu of that do propose that the seamen should have half in ready money and tickets for the other half, to be paid in three months after, which we judge to be very practicable."

1 From the start, Charles II was opposed to paying by ticket, or maybe just the interest bearing part, and that a good deal of the animus in parliament & elsewhere I take to be the interest going the other way-the sailors selling at a discount to speculators.

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

Apparently these 1660 agreements weren't enough for wartime use.

L&M: New regulations for the issue of pay tickets were concluded by the Navy Board on 17 January, 1667, but proved difficult to enforce in war conditions: PL 2874, p. 479.

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