Monday 27 April 1668

Up, and Captain Deane come to see me, and he and I toward Westminster together, and I set him down at White Hall, while I to Westminster Hall, and up to the Lords’ House, and there saw Sir W. Pen go into the House of Lords, where his impeachment was read to him, and he used mighty civilly, the Duke of York being there; and two days hence, at his desire, he is to bring in his answer, and a day then to be appointed for his being heard with Counsel. Thence down into the Hall, and with Creed and Godolphin walked; and do hear that to-morrow is appointed, upon a motion on Friday last, to discourse the business of my Lord Sandwich, moved by Sir R. Howard, that he should be sent for, home; and I fear it will be ordered. Certain news come, I hear, this day, that the Spanish Plenipotentiary in Flanders will not agree to the peace and terms we and the Dutch have made for him and the King of France; and by this means the face of things may be altered, and we forced to join with the French against Spain, which will be an odd thing. At noon with Creed to my Lord Crew’s, and there dined; and here was a very fine-skinned lady dined, the daughter of my Lord Roberts, and also a fine lady, Mr. John Parkhurst his wife, that was but a boy the other day. And after dinner there comes in my Lady Roberts herself, and with her Mr. Roberts’s daughter, that was Mrs. Boddevill, the great beauty, and a fine lady indeed, the first time I saw her. My Lord Crew, and Sir Thomas, and I, and Creed, all the afternoon debating of my Lord Sandwich’s business, against to-morrow, and thence I to the King’s playhouse, and there saw most of “The Cardinall,” a good play, and thence to several places to pay my debts, and then home, and there took a coach and to Mile End to take a little ayre, and thence home to Sir W. Pen’s, where I supped, and sat all the evening; and being lighted homeward by Mrs. Markham, I blew out the candle and kissed her, and so home to bed.

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Terry Foreman   Link to this

"...to-morrow is appointed, upon a motion on Friday last, to discourse the business of my Lord Sandwich, moved by Sir R. Howard, ...."

Commons Journal - Friday 24 April
Earl of Sandwich.

Resolved, That the present Debate concerning the Earl of Sandwich be adjourned till Tuesday Morning next.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?co...

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Sir Robert Howard has been pursuing Penn and Sandwich

Grey's Debates - Tuesday, April 21.

Debate on Sir William Penn's Impeachment, reported by Sir Robert Howard. (fn. 9) ]

Mr Vaughan.] Would not have the Earl of Sandwich concluded in the Impeachment, without hearing him first.

Sir Robert Howard.] It may possibly be that Sir William Penn did conspire with Lord Sandwich, and Lord Sandwich not with him...[&c).
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?co...

Michael L   Link to this

"being lighted homeward by Mrs. Markham, I blew out the candle and kissed her"

This may be a clue as to how Pepys manages to grope women with others also in the carriage. Presumably, it is very dark when he makes these attempts.

Ronal B Morse   Link to this

Michael, I never met a woman who wasn't acutely aware of who was trying to give her a friendly little grope, no matter how dark it was. Or how many others were in the immediate vicinity.

What I didn't know for certain, and still don't, is whether her mental calculus at that moment runs along the line of, "do I make him pay now, or later?"

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"...here was a very fine-skinned lady..." Sam, you're scaring me here.

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"...saw Sir W. Pen go into the House of Lords, where his impeachment was read to him, and he used mighty civilly..."

"My Lords, if I may say...One must in reviewing my impeachment, consider what the definition of "is" is, in the context of how "is" be used in the context of my impeachment..."

"My God...He's even better than that fellow Pepys!" cry from the floor. Sam, bridling...What the...?

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"...the Spanish Plenipotentiary in Flanders will not agree to the peace and terms we and the Dutch have made for him and the King of France; and by this means the face of things may be altered, and we forced to join with the French against Spain, which will be an odd thing."

Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia and at peace with Eastasia.

"Sirs, we might at least have been allowed to be consulted." the Spanish Plenipotentiary frowns.

"Tell it to the Czechs in 1938...haw, haw."

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"the Spanish Plenipotentiary " was Francisco de Moura y Melo, 3rd Marquis of Castel Rodrigo, Governor-General of the Spanish Netherlands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_de_Moura...

Michael L   Link to this

Ronal: What I meant was the dark might help Sam not because the one being felt did not know it was him, but because Sam might suppose that in the dark, other passengers would not notice what was going on. I thought that was what other diary readers wondered at.

Mary   Link to this

home to Sir W. Penn's

No coach travel, in the dark or otherwise, is involved in Mrs. Markham's lighting Sam home. The Penns also live in Navy Office quarters when not at their country seat in Walthamstow. Sam and Mrs. Markham (how young is she, I wonder?) are simply walking from one door to another in the yard.

Robert Gertz   Link to this

Mrs. Markham is described as the niece of Lady Sandwich. Hmmn. Sam seems dangerously poised on the knife edge of that social line here. Bess had better get home soon.

"He did what to you, Cathy?!!" Charlie rises in consternation.

Anne next to Jamie saying nothing...Just a faint smile at the memory of the past evening at the playhouse. That wicked little man...Grin.

Australian Susan   Link to this

I had assumed that Mrs Markham was the Penn housekeeper or some such. It seems rather odd (and tempting fate - surely Sam's reputations is known??) for a respectable lady to escort our lad on what seems like a task a servant would undertake.

Don McCahill   Link to this

One thing we do not know is exactly how unusual Sam's behaviour is. Most other young men of this period (if we can still call Sam young) did not write diaries, and those who did probably didn't recount their conquests the way Pepys did.

It might well be that Sam's behaviour was quite normal for the period. You will notice he only approaches a certain class of woman. He remarks that Lady this or Lady That is 'fine' or 'beautiful' but never has to switch to another language to describe his relations with them.

We look at his actions through 21st century eyes (or 20th century eyes for a lot of us) and what we consider scandalous may be quite normal. After all, what would be said about the current Prince of Wales if, after becoming King, he acted like his namesake, Charles II had.

Mary   Link to this

L&M Companion notes that one Markham, a kinsman (possibly nephew William) of Penn's married Lady Penn's maid (or possibly companion) Nan Wright in 1666. If this is the Mrs. Markham in question, then perhaps Sam is not taking so much of a risk in stealing a quiet, after-dark kiss.

No mention is made of Lady Sandwich as a relation.

language hat   Link to this

A reminder that Mrs. is short for "Mistress" and does not imply that the woman is married.

"It might well be that Sam’s behaviour was quite normal for the period. ... We look at his actions through 21st century eyes (or 20th century eyes for a lot of us) and what we consider scandalous may be quite normal."

While this is true, and I've emphasized it myself in previous comments, we mustn't leap to the other extreme and practice an excessive moral tolerance. For one thing, we *don't* know whether it was "normal" (whatever that means -- it's certainly extremely common now, but does that mean it's normal?), so it would be silly to simply assume that; for another, we're perfectly entitled to deprecate behavior (slavery, to take an obvious example) that previous ages considered normal. I suspect that Sam is considerably above the norm even for his day in his dedication to molesting women (frankly, it's beginning to seem like an addiction), and in any case, I'm quite sure the women he groped (with perhaps the exception of a couple with whom he had long-term friendly relations, but we can't know) were unhappy about it and wished he wouldn't do it, and that's reason enough for me to condemn it, even if his buddies down at the Drones Club (to make an anachronistic reference) would just chuckle and wink.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"Captain Deane"

When "Mr. [Anthony] Deane" become "Captain Deane"? Was it this month?
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1668/04/05/

Don McCahill   Link to this

In a biography from only a few years earlier, I find:
he "behaved as a young Tarquin who delighted in accosting decent women in the streets in order to perforce ravish a kiss, or some lewder satisfaction on them."

The subject here: none other than the puritan Oliver Cromwell, who apparently had a wild youth. This seems to support my thesis that this was not a great time to be born female.

(The biography is by Antonia Fraser, who is fairly well respected as a historian.)2

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