Monday 29 April 1667

Up, being visited very early by Creed newly come from Hinchingbrooke, who went thither without my knowledge, and I believe only to save his being taxed by the Poll Bill. I did give him no very good countenance nor welcome, but took occasion to go forth and walked (he with me) to St. Dunstan’s, and thence I to Sir W. Coventry’s, where a good while with him, and I think he pretty kind, but that the nature of our present condition affords not matter for either of us to be pleased with any thing. We discoursed of Carcasse, whose Lord, he tells me, do make complaints that his clerk should be singled out, and my Lord Berkeley do take his part. So he advises we would sum up all we have against him and lay it before the Duke of York; he condemned my Lord Bruncker. Thence to Sir G. Carteret, and there talked a little while about office business, and thence by coach home, in several places paying my debts in order to my evening my accounts this month, and thence by and by to White Hall again to Sir G. Carteret to dinner, where very good company and discourse, and I think it my part to keep in there now more than ordinary because of the probability of my Lord’s coming soon home. Our Commissioners for the treaty set out this morning betimes down the river. Here I hear that the Duke of Cambridge, the Duke of York’s son, is very sick; and my Lord Treasurer very bad of the stone, and hath been so some days. After dinner Sir G. Carteret and I alone in his closet an hour or more talking of my Lord Sandwich’s coming home, which, the peace being likely to be made here, he expects, both for my Lord’s sake and his own (whose interest he wants) it will be best for him to be at home, where he will be well received by the King; he is sure of his service well accepted, though the business of Spain do fall by this peace. He tells me my Lord Arlington hath done like a gentleman by him in all things. He says, if my Lord [Sandwich] were here, he were the fittest man to be Lord Treasurer of any man in England; and he thinks it might be compassed; for he confesses that the King’s matters do suffer through the inability of this man, who is likely to die, and he will propound him to the King. It will remove him from his place at sea, and the King will have a good place to bestow. He says to me, that he could wish, when my Lord comes, that he would think fit to forbear playing, as a thing below him, and which will lessen him, as it do my Lord St. Albans, in the King’s esteem: and as a great secret tells me that he hath made a match for my Lord Hinchingbroke to a daughter of my Lord Burlington’s, where there is a great alliance, 10,000l. portion; a civil family, and relation to my Lord Chancellor, whose son hath married one of the daughters; and that my Lord Chancellor do take it with very great kindness, so that he do hold himself obliged by it. My Lord Sandwich hath referred it to my Lord Crew, Sir G. Carteret, and Mr. Montagu, to end it. My Lord Hinchingbroke and the lady know nothing yet of it. It will, I think, be very happy. Very glad of this discourse, I away mightily pleased with the confidence I have in this family, and so away, took up my wife, who was at her mother’s, and so home, where I settled to my chamber about my accounts, both Tangier and private, and up at it till twelve at night, with good success, when news is brought me that there is a great fire in Southwarke: so we up to the leads, and then I and the boy down to the end of our, lane, and there saw it, it seeming pretty great, but nothing to the fire of London, that it made me think little of it. We could at that distance see an engine play — that is, the water go out, it being moonlight. By and by, it begun to slacken, and then I home and to bed.

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Terry Foreman   Link to this

"We discoursed of Carcasse, whose Lord, he tells me, do make complaints that his clerk should be singled out"

This is Sir William Brouncker again, whose clerk James Carkasse is, but fortunately, The Duke of York sides with Pepys.

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"I hear that the Duke of Cambridge, the Duke of York’s son, is very sick"

L&M note he will die on 20 June at age four. http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/6506/

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"my Lord Treasurer very bad of the stone, and hath been so some days"

Thomas Wriothesley (4th Earl of Southampton) will die on 16 May at age 59. http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/4111/

Tony Eldridge   Link to this

My Lord Hinchingbroke and the lady know nothing yet of it.
"Marriage, Edward? Just business my lad, just business."

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"My Lord Hinchingbroke and the lady know nothing yet of it. It will, I think, be very happy."

"Debt, with Prestige, do you take Money, with Old Established Family to be your lawful wedded bride?"

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"...when my Lord comes, that he would think fit to forbear playing, as a thing below him, and which will lessen him, as it do my Lord St. Albans, in the King’s esteem..."

No more rounds of "I Gave My Love A Cherry" on guitar? Aw...

Yes, Lord knows one wouldn't want to fall in Charlie's esteem...It inhabits such a lofty plane, requires such a hign moral tone.

"Speaking of which, Pepys..."

"Sir George?"

"About those songs of yours...The ones you keep singing for us...All the time?"

Andrew Hamilton   Link to this

"Radix malorum est cupiditas" applies especially to the tale of Viscount Brouncker, Mr. Carcasse, Sam, Sir William Warren and, perhaps, Sir William Coventry.

It even throws a sidelight on Sam's distrust of Sir William Penn.

As I read it, Brouncker is very friendly with Sam on becoming a naval commissioner, but soon figures out how to get the graft, promotes his associate Mr. Carcasse as a rival clerk, and woos timber merchant Sir William Warren away from Sam presumably by offering more favorable terms and/or giving the impression that, with his royal connections and much higher establishment rank, he will be more influential in helping Warren get contracts.

Carcasse appears to have started his own troublesome line of graft in handling tickets.

These developments upset the way business was done at the office and a settled flow of funds to Sam and, perhaps -- it is only a guess -- to Sir William Coventry. Their appeal to the Duke of York to fire Carcasse trumps Brouncker's more indirect influence at court.

As for the application of the Pardoner's saw to the relationship between Sir William Penn and Sam, I believe Sam's distrust dates back to a disagreement over who should manage a contract and get the associated thank-you payments.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

Andrew Hamilton, thanks for that very good summary of things at the Navy Office.

Nix   Link to this

"We discoursed of Carcasse" --

Sounds like something out of James Joyce:
We discoursed of Carcasse
We discassed of Carcourse
We discarsed of Courcasse
etc.
etc.

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