Saturday 9 June 1666

Up, and to St. James’s, there to wait on the Duke of Yorke, and had discourse with him about several businesses of the fleete. But, Lord! to see how the Court is divided about The Swiftsure and The Essex’s being safe. And wagers and odds laid on both sides. I did tell the Duke how Sir W. Batten did tell me this morning that he was sure the Swiftsure is safe. This put them all in a great joy and certainty of it, but this I doubt will prove nothing. Thence to White Hall in expectation of a meeting of Tangier, and we did industriously labour to have it this morning; but we could not get a fifth person there, so after much pains and thoughts on my side on behalfe of Yeabsly, we were fain to breake up. But, Lord! to see with what patience Lord Ashly did stay all the morning to get a Committee, little thinking that I know the reason of his willingnesse. So I home to dinner and back again to White Hall, and, being come thither a little too soon, went to Westminster Hall, and bought a payre of gloves, and to see how people do take this late fight at sea, and I find all give over the thoughts of it as a victory and to reckon it a great overthrow. So to White Hall, and there when we were come all together in certain expectation of doing our business to Yeabsly’s full content, and us that were his friends, my Lord Peterborough (whether through some difference between him and my Lord Ashly, or him and me or Povy, or through the falsenesse of Creed, I know not) do bring word that the Duke of Yorke (who did expressly bid me wait at the Committee for the dispatch of the business) would not have us go forward in this business of allowing the losse of the ships till Sir G. Carteret and Sir W. Coventry were come to towne, which was the very thing indeed which we would have avoided. This being told us, we broke up doing nothing, to my great discontent, though I said nothing, and afterwards I find by my Lord Ashly’s discourse to me that he is troubled mightily at it, and indeed it is a great abuse of him and of the whole Commissioners that nothing of that nature can be done without Sir G. Carteret or Sir W. Coventry. No sooner was the Committee up, and I going [through] the Court homeward, but I am told Sir W. Coventry is come to town; so I to his chamber, and there did give him an account how matters go in our office, and with some content I parted from him, after we had discoursed several things of the haste requisite to be made in getting the fleete out again and the manner of doing it. But I do not hear that he is at all pleased or satisfied with the late fight; but he tells me more newes of our suffering, by the death of one or two captains more than I knew before. But he do give over the thoughts of the safety of The Swiftsure or Essex. Thence homewards, landed at the Old Swan, and there find my pretty Betty Michell and her husband at their doore in Thames Streete, which I was glad to find, and went into their shop, and they made me drink some of their strong water, the first time I was ever with them there. I do exceedingly love her. After sitting a little and talking with them about several things at great distance I parted and home to my business late. But I am to observe how the drinking of some strong water did immediately put my eyes into a fit of sorenesse again as they were the other day. I mean my right eye only. Late at night I had an account brought me by Sir W. Warren that he has gone through four llighters for me, which pleases me very well. So home to bed, much troubled with our disappointment at the Tangier Committee.

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cape henry   Link to this

"...do bring word that the Duke of Yorke (who did expressly bid me wait at the Committee for the dispatch of the business) would not have us go forward in this business of allowing the losse of the ships till Sir G. Carteret and Sir W. Coventry were come to towne..." Forget the fog of war, this is the more stupefying fog of meetings. This entry gives a glimpse of the circular firing squad that must be forming in the wake of the defeat.

cgs   Link to this

Glassy eyed?
"...I am to observe how the drinking of some strong water did immediately put my eyes into a fit of sorenesse again as they were the other day..."

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"The Swiftsure and The Essex’s being safe"

They are, but in the hands of the Dutch since 2 June.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

Does the Tangier Committee have problems defining a quorum?

Mary   Link to this

"Lord Ashly did stay ...... the reason of his willingness"

Sam still making allusion to the (false) rumour that Ashly has a £500 bribe in view.

Mary   Link to this

Tangier Committee

Not so much that it has a problem defining a quorum as a problem in gathering a quorum. Just another example of the number of times Pepys expects to be involved in a meeting of one sort or another when a necessary party fails to show up and the meeting has to be postponed.

Michael Robinson   Link to this

" ... allusion to the (false) rumour ..."

We have no actual knowledge of truth or falsity; only L&M inferring, on the basis of one biography, in their footnote to the entry of May 20th.,Vol vii p 128.
( http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1666/05/20/ ) that Ashley was not bribed: "The story of the bribe is probably untrue ... Ashley (Shaftsbury) was not corrupt and in any case was too rich to be corrupted by a gift of L100."

What we do know is that there has been a complete change in Ashley's behavior to Yearsby's account, from oppositional on the May 11th.

" ...I find him one of the most distinct men that ever I did see in my life. He raised many scruples which were to be answered another day and so parted, ..."
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1666/05/11/

to facilitatory on the 21st.:
" ... I away in some haste to my Lord Ashly, where it is stupendous to see how favourably, and yet closely, my Lord Ashly carries himself to Mr. Yeabsly, in his business, so as I think we shall do his business for him in very good manner. But it is a most extraordinary thing to observe, and that which I would not but have had the observation of for a great deal of money. ..."
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1666/05/21/

and that on the 20th. SP reports not only being told of a bribe but that this is direct confirmation of Ashley's contemporary reputation as corrupt:

" ... discoursed awhile with Mr. Yeabsly, whom I met and took up in my coach with me, and who hath this day presented my Lord Ashly with 100l. to bespeak his friendship to him in his accounts now before us; and my Lord hath received it, and so I believe is as bad, as to bribes, as what the world says of him."
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1666/05/20/

Tony Eldridge   Link to this

Ashley (Shaftsbury) was not corrupt and in any case was too rich to be corrupted by a gift of L100.”
Then, as now, many men became rich via corruption - and once they were/are rich, it doesn't stop them being greedy.

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"So to White Hall, and there when we were come all together in certain expectation of doing our business to Yeabsly’s full content, and us that were his friends, my Lord Peterborough (whether through some difference between him and my Lord Ashly, or him and me or Povy, or through the falsenesse of Creed, I know not) do bring word that the Duke of Yorke (who did expressly bid me wait at the Committee for the dispatch of the business) would not have us go forward in this business of allowing the losse of the ships till Sir G. Carteret and Sir W. Coventry were come to towne, which was the very thing indeed which we would have avoided."

Seems the loss of the ships somehow would have rebounded to Yeasbly's (and therefore Sam's, Petersborough's, Ashley's, etc, etc) credit)? Meaning Yeasbly could have claimed the loss of the supplies on board? Or, would have been the favored choice to resupply?

Spoiler...

Wonder if perhaps Ashley's going to be nursing a grudge against Sam as a result of these transactions in future when he targets him for a Papist, going to no little amount of deliberate smearing to destroy him. Perhaps Sam has or will make the mistake of hinting they're both tarred with Yeasbly's brush. A small thing perhaps...And one Sam himself might not realize had gotten him on the wrong side of wrath, but one that might rankle with a fellow like Shaftsbury. Or could be he will keep the memory that the fair-haired boy of the Naval Office, Mr. Pepys, is not above graft...So why not get the corrupt little fellow on a Papist charge?

Australian Susan   Link to this

Back to Sam's day in London with the Tube strike: river shuttle ferries have been introduced.

Mary   Link to this

River boats.
Yes, and very long queues there were, too ...... up to an hour's wait for some.

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