Saturday 2 June 1660

Being with my Lord in the morning about business in his cabin, I took occasion to give him thanks for his love to me in the share that he had given me of his Majesty’s money, and the Duke’s. He told the he hoped to do me a more lasting kindness, if all things stand as they are now between him and the King, but, says he, “We must have a little patience and we will rise together; in the mean time I will do you all the good jobs I can.” Which was great content for me to hear from my Lord.

All the morning with the Captain, computing how much the thirty ships that come with the King from Scheveling their pay comes to for a month (because the King promised to give them all a month’s pay), and it comes to 6,538l., and the Charles particularly 777l. I wish we had the money. All the afternoon with two or three captains in the Captain’s cabin, drinking of white wine and sugar, and eating pickled oysters, where Captain Sparling told us the best story that ever I heard, about a gentleman that persuaded a country fool to let him gut his oysters or else they would stink.

At night writing letters to London and Weymouth, for my Lord being now to sit in the House of Peers he endeavours to get Mr. Edward Montagu for Weymouth and Mr. George for Dover.

Mr. Cooke late with me in my cabin while I wrote to my wife, and drank a bottle of wine and so took leave of me on his journey and I to bed.

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Paul Brewster  •  Link

to get Mr. Edward Montagu for Weymouth and Mr. George for Dover
"One only of these two was elected, for Bullen Reymes became M.P. for Weymouth on June 22nd."
Wheatley footnote.

Paul Brewster  •  Link

Bullen Reymes is going to show up again

In the north aisle of the Parish Church of St. Peter in the Dorset village of Portesham near Weymouth is the Chafin memorial with a reference to Bullen Reymes. In 1695 he was found lying wounded in a street in Weymouth, perhaps after a tavern brawl, and was brought home to Waddon Manor to die. His father, COLONEL BULLEN REYMES, (1613-1672), who also lived at Waddon Manor, was a much worthier character. A Cavalier, friend of Pepys, Vice-Admiral of Dorset and MP for Weymouth and Melcombe Regis, he was laid beside his wife in a vault under this aisle.

I left in the reference to the son for a bit of local colour ...

Paul Brewster  •  Link

He seems to have played a minor part in the diary but it turn out there is a connection of a sort to our musical Mr. Pepys:

"Bullen Reymes (1613-72) was a lute-playing English nobleman who went on the Grand Tour between 1631 and 1637. Later, he served as a colonel in the Royalist army in the Civil War, and at the Restoration he became an MP and vice-admiral of Dorset. An invaluable constellation of his papers survive: not only important lute tablatures, with 126 pieces in seven different tunings ... but a diary of his travels, and letters to his family from the time of his Paris stay, 1631-4. ...

Evidently a noted player from his teens, Reymes was a bit of lute-obsessive, who made several references a day in his diary to the lute (rather fewer to the guitar). In 1632 Mesangeau agreed to give him free lessons, and then kept failing to turn up, so he had lessons with Merville instead, paying him £1 a month for the privilege. He regularly dined, and played chamber music with Merville and his family. Unfortunately he said little about the content of the lessons in his diary, but a good deal can be gathered from his tablature collection. He exchanged pieces with other amateur musicians, and sent lute music home for his father, and virginal music home for his sister. Only once does he mention printed music, and then only to say that it was too expensive for him to buy. He went on to Venice in September 1633, proceeding to Rome, Naples, Sicily, the Aegean and Istanbul. His diary entries for these travels are less extensive; he bought numerous instruments, and mentions hearing Monteverdi in Venetian churches, but no other famous musicians. He stopped writing in 1636, finally returning to England in 1637.”
According to François-Pierre Goy (Bibliothèque Nationale de France).…

Sorry for the length of the note. It may be better served within a bibliographic entry but I loved the detail.

john lauer  •  Link

"the best story that ever I heard..."
is great praise for a gentleman-and-country-fool oyster story. Can anyone find it?

Paul Chapin  •  Link

The oyster story ...
Perhaps someone will track down an authentic version of this joke, but Sam gives us enough information to know what the story must have been. Some city slicker found a country bumpkin with a bunch of oysters, and told him they would spoil if he didn't take the meat out of them. The c.s. kindly offered to remove the meat and take it away, leaving the c.b. with the shells. I can imagine that a good raconteur could put over a story like that very well.

vincent  •  Link

"...computing how much the thirty ships that come with the King from Scheveling their pay comes to for a month (because the King promised to give them all a month’s pay), and it comes to 6,538l., and the Charles particularly 777l. I wish we had the money: ..." Charles!!Just like Penniless man, counting his eggs before he could collect his tax money. Remember thats why the 3 cheers. oh well. Some things do never change. "computing " well well.

Colin Gravois  •  Link

"...and it comes to 6,538l., and the Charles particularly 777l. I wish we had the money. Can someone out there, perhaps a naval historian or such, help us understand the money question, and especially in this case pertaining to naval affairs (my similar question several months back was never satisfactorily addressed). Sam was intimately involved in the handling of naval funds over the years. How was pay computed, doled out, and how was the monies paid out by a central pay office in London (I presume in cash), to whom, then how transported to the fleet, etc.? What safeguards existed against the pocketing of “loose change” by the various intermediaries?

BTW isn’t today (new calendar) the 300 year anniversary of Pepys’s death (also my birthday!)

vincent  •  Link

Colin :-:The title of purser is related to a bursar - a treasurer:The Purser was the man(like the Butler, He did it) From about 1660 to 1797 (the Spithead, Plymouth and Nore mutinies were in April and May of the latter year) the pay of an Ordinary Seaman had remained at 19 shillings(5 1/4d a day), that of an Able Seaman at 24 shillings, a month.( thats before fixed paybacks) theres more on customs etc…
lots of reading: scary stuff then this:: you will love how they 'Violenteered" for This Work.


for example :_It is only about 80 or so years since women ceased to be carried in men-o’-war, and it was Queen Victoria who ordered this practice to be discontinued
The origin of the call of the morning to "..Show a Leg.." "
Room to swing a cat . This expression is certainly of nautical origin and referred to the cat o’ nine tails.1651 lots other sayings that we use and do not understand:

Colin Gravois  •  Link

Vincent: you covered the waterfront, so to speak. Thanks for all the information, and the links you porovided are full of great details. Now where does Sam fit into this scheme of things? In Tomalin's book he's frequently called upon to "get" the money and "pay" the sailors, albeit oftentimes with some difficulty -- seems paymasters have always been tightfisted.

john lauer  •  Link

But Paul (Chapin), in the best of this genre
the bumpkin would end superior to the slicker -- so I would expect a zinger before I close this file. Unfortunately we know nothing about the Captain's humo(u)r, or opinion of "gentlemen".

vincent  •  Link

The way I understand the situation is this: SP makes out the schedule: warrants and other Paperwork for each ships Commission. The purser "guy "applies for a warrant for the position on a Ship: He gets the appropiate bag for time of service ( 3 months maybe) The details of processing are the pursers: The Commissioned folks, thats another story; In many cases its Peapis problem when the schedule is over run and Parliament has not got the funds or cash, so chits( ious ) are issued: (That was the problem in Jan/Feb no funds for the Regiments:)

Evelyn makes ref. to his agent Pay & accompt at Gravesend missbehaved himself(no details ? not very important pay?) ref 17 march 1678;

Edward Chaney  •  Link

For more on Bullen Reymes, including his portrait and page from his travel manuscript in which he records visiting Artemesia Gentileschi in Naples, see Edward Chaney, The Evolution of the Grand Tour, revised ed; 2000).

Sasha Clarkson  •  Link

"my Lord being now to sit in the House of Peers he endeavours to get Mr. Edward Montagu for Weymouth"

Have I missed something, or is this the first mention by Pepys of "my Lord" being given a peerage?

Bill  •  Link

He is now a Knight of the Garter. Doesn't that do it? Though he isn't the Earl of Sandwich yet.

Terry Foreman  •  Link

Sasha Clasrkson, keen eye. We'd call Pepys's comment a spoiler.

27 May recall Pepys's comments on the historic priority of ennobling to the bestowal of the Knighthood of the Garter, L&M refer the reader to F.R. Harris' biography of Mountagu, i.187:
"within twenty-four hours of the King's departure [ from Dover on his progress to London ], a letter was brought to Mountagu from the Lord Chancellor announcing that the Admiral had been created an Earl, and asking for the style of the earldom and barony, in order that the patent might be prepared. On the day following came a further honour; for the King sent Mountagu the Garter, the most prized of our distinctions. Pepys witnessed the ceremony, which took place upon a gorgeous summer Sunday, while the sound of bells was borne across the water."…

Bill  •  Link

"drinking of white wine and sugar"

What says sir John Sack-and-Sugar?
---The Plays and Poems of William Shakspeare. Henry IV, part 1, 1790.

A footnote to the above says:
Much inquiry has been made about Falstaff's sack, and great surprise has been expressed that he should have mixed sugar with it. As they are here mentioned for the first time in this play, it may not be improper to observe that it is probable that Falstaff's wine was Sherry, a Spanish wine, originally made at Xeres. He frequently himself calls it Sberris-sack. Nor will his mixing sugar with sack appear extraordinary, when it is known that it was a very common practice in our author's time to put sugar into all wines.

Terry Foreman  •  Link

"my Lord being now to sit in the House of Peers "

L&M disclose he had ben promised an earldom on 26 May; the patent was sealed on 12 July. They give no source.

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