Saturday 21 December 1667

At the office all the morning, and at noon home to dinner with my Clerks and Creed, who among other things all alone, after dinner, talking of the times, he tells me that the Nonconformists are mighty high, and their meetings frequented and connived at; and they do expect to have their day now soon; for my Lord of Buckingham is a declared friend to them, and even to the Quakers, who had very good words the other day from the King himself: and, what is more, the Archbishop of Canterbury is called no more to the Cabal, nor, by the way, Sir W. Coventry; which I am sorry for, the Cabal at present being, as he says, the King, and Duke of Buckingham, and Lord Keeper, the Duke of Albemarle, and Privy Seale. The Bishops, differing from the King in the late business in the House of Lords, having caused this and what is like to follow, for every body is encouraged nowadays to speak, and even to preach, as I have heard one of them, as bad things against them as ever in the year 1640; which is a strange change. He gone, I to the office, where busy till late at night, and then home to sit with my wife, who is a little better, and her cheek asswaged. I read to her out of “The History of Algiers,” which is mighty pretty reading, and did discourse alone about my sister Pall’s match, which is now on foot with one Jackson, another nephew of Mr. Phillips’s, to whom he hath left his estate.

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Mister Max  •  Link

Don't nonconformists practice religions other than the Church of England? Why does the link define them as "fanatics?" Quakers are hardly fanatic.

Terry Foreman  •  Link


L&M note "William Carr, clerk to Gerard's troop of Life Guards, had petitioned Commons accusing Gerard of embezzling £2000 p.a. over the past six years, at the expense of his troupers' wages. He also complained Gerard's agents had entered Carr's house in his absence, seized and destroyed some of his papers, terrified his wife and children. [ ]
The House refused to commit the petition on the 17th because it had been printed before being presented. [ ] (Carr, now cast into the King's Bench prison, pleaded it had been done in error and without his authority.) On the 18th the Lords sentenced Carr to the pillory and a fine of £1000 and to imprisonment at the King's pleasure on the ground that his petition had been offensive to both King and Lords in referring to the Commons as the only protection of the subject's right...." [ ]

Robert Gertz  •  Link

Paulina has found her guy at last, no thanks to dear brother Sam. I wonder what "discourse alone" means? Did he rant on to Bess as she lay suffering about headstrong Pall? Though actually he reads almost relieved she may be settled.

Christopher Squire  •  Link

Mister Max: click through to the page on 'fanatics' which 'by 1660 . . acquired new force to characterize (and denigrate) passionate nonconformists, both religious and political, especially the radical Puritan sects.'

‘nonconformist, n. and adj.
 1. a. Usu. with capital initial. Originally (in the early 17th cent.): a person adhering to the doctrine but not the usages of the Church of England (now hist.). Later (esp. after the Act of Uniformity of 1662 and the consequent ejection from their livings of those ministers who refused to conform): a member of a Church which is separated from the Church of England . . ‘ [OED]

cum salis grano  •  Link

A fanatic is just one that overly enthusiastic in disagreeing with a self righteous authoritarian leaders. Thus the likes of 2000 preachers are roaming the streets of London critiquing the Religious leader of his evil ways,Like Thomas Vincent and John Bunyan Pilgrim's Progress was considered the most widely read and ... -

a. A fanatic person; a visionary; an unreasoning enthusiast. Applied in the latter half of the 17th c. to Nonconformists as a hostile epithet.
1644 J. Maxwell Sacro-sancta Regum Majestas 44 Gratia gratum faciens, Saving Grace, as some fanatickes and fantastickes fondly imagine.
1657 J. Gaule Sapientia Justificata 11 Enthusiasts, Anabaptists, Fanaticks, and Familists.
1660 T. Fuller Mixt Contempl. i. l. 77 A new word Coyned within few moneths called Fanaticks‥seemeth well‥proportioned to signifie‥the Sectaries of our Age.
1660 S. Pepys Diary 15 Apr. (1970) I. 109 The Phanatiques have held up their heads high since Lambert got out of the Tower.
2. Of persons, their actions, attributes, etc.: Characterized, influenced, or prompted by excessive and mistaken enthusiasm, esp. in religious matters.
1659 B. Walton Considerator Considered 169 Papists, Atheists, and fanatic persons.
1659–60 Monk Speech 6 Feb. in A. Wood Life & Times (1891) I. 303 Be careful neither the cavalier nor phanatique party have yet a share in your civil‥power.
a1680 S. Butler Genuine Remains (1759) I. 215 All our lunatic fanatic Sects.

tonyt  •  Link

'A fanatic is just one that is overly enthusiastic in disagreeing with self righteous authoritarian leaders' Just so, but with the important corollary that it is the 'self righteous authoritarian leaders' who usually decide what is 'overly enthusiastic'.

Subject to this corollary, many Quakers today would still be happy to be considered 'fanatics' and the term certainly fits the movement in its early days.

Phoenix  •  Link

Let's not forget that self-righteousness characterizes fanatics as well, perhaps is even a defining characteristic.

Then again I suppose we all are more or less so in our enthusiasms, therefore does it really have any application beyond its pejorative association?

nix  •  Link

"her cheek asswaged" --

Somewhere Beavis and Butthead are snickering.

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