29 Apr 2003, 2:40 a.m. - Alan Bedford

Clearly not a busy day... I have trouble envisioning playing ninepins, or any other bowling game for that matter, aboard a sailing ship, rocking at anchor. Must have been a real challenge - and they seem to play pretty regularly!

29 Apr 2003, 6:39 a.m. - David Bell

There's an old English variant where the skittle are on a board with an upright post, and the ball dangles from a rope attached to the top of the post. I've no idea of the origins of this form, but I could see it working on a ship.

29 Apr 2003, 7:28 a.m. - mary

bar skittles/ninepins Whilst agreeing that the tabletop/bar game that David refers to would be easier to imagine being played on board ship, a bit of Googling elicited the information that this miniaturised version of ninepins did not appear until the eighteenth century. Pity.

29 Apr 2003, 7:32 a.m. - M.Stolzenbach

How long has Pepys been on this furschlugginer ship anyway? The vessel seems to keep on going noplace in particular.

29 Apr 2003, 8:28 a.m. - mary

Events, dear boy, events After nine years of Commonwealth Republican rule, it's not really surprisng that the preparations/negotiations for a possible restoration of the monarchy should take longer than a week or three to be accomplished. Mountagu and his fleet are part of this process; Mountagu is taking political part in the events, but he is not by any means the sole principal in them so he has to wait on events beyond his own control before he sets sail. He cannot afford at this stage to be out of geographical touch with the process of political evolution, so remains close to shore but ready to sail when the moment is right.

29 Apr 2003, 8:28 a.m. - Bullus Hutton

"He had not money enough to pay me" Here he is once again, the world's most brilliant naif. We've seen him recently wheeling and dealing with the best of them, power-broking, lining his pockets etc, yet today's entry consists almost entirely of a stunned admission that his chums stiffed him in a simple game for a crown apiece (actually I can relate to that, shooting pool with someone who says OK you won but I don't have any dough, what d'you do?) and two days ago, after some splendid incisive comment on the current situation in parliament, he goes down to check the booze locker and is totally wowwed by the "massy" ships timbers and (Hey you guys, would you bul-lieve!) we were a whole deck below the water-line. OK that's enough, let's get back up there and sup it up, some musique and "some very good laughing". No wonder his personality has shone through to this day!

29 Apr 2003, 8:53 a.m. - GrahamT

Re: Ninepins See link: http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/684/#c4182

29 Apr 2003, 7:51 p.m. - Roger Miller

Ninepins The movement of the ship might have added to the interest of the game. It would be a bit like crown green bowls with the green moving.

30 Apr 2003, 2:39 a.m. - john lauer

Stolzi, just think of this "verschlugen" ship as a mobile command post -- just being there is enough.

30 Apr 2003, 8:04 p.m. - Sari Magaziner

Many, many thanks for the opportunity to hear the BBC program of music in Pepys' era along with remarks from the diary. As one who lives in the US, this chance to enjoy BBC was a great treat.I'm very grateful.

29 Apr 2013, 2:54 a.m. - Heather Macbeth

Today we meet our first member of the large Pett family of ship-builders and sailors. More will turn up in future. At least two will be important characters. For earlier discussion of the difficulty of keeping them straight, see Emilio's comment http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/1230/#c13495 and Wikipedia ("Some confusion may arise between the identities of Peter Pett and his many relatives; even the Navy Board had difficulty in keeping its records straight on this matter") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pett Today's Mr Pett is hyperlinked as Peter Pett, 1610-1672, Commissioner of the Navy. http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/708/ But is this the right Pett? Navy-Commissioner Peter Pett will appear in the Diary soon, on May 16 and 18, but under the appellation "Commissioner Pett" (not "Mr Pett"). He is now 50, likely too old and too important to be playing ninepins with hangers-on and servants of Montagu. Who knows what Pett this is. If it's one of the five male Petts for whom we have Encyclopedia entries, my guess is Phineas Pett (b), 1628-1678, a shipbuilder currently aged 32, nephew of Navy-Commissioner Peter. http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/2735/

29 Apr 2013, 8:12 a.m. - Sasha Clarkson

If "My Lord" can play games and enjoy merriment, why not Commissioner Pett? The time of austerity seems to be coming to an end! ;) From Wiki on Commissioner Pett: "Determined to survive the rigours of the nation's political upheavals, Pett, with great resourcefulness, having withheld Chatham from Charles I, was afterwards in Holland preparing the fleet to accompany the return of Charles II." It seems that many of the travellers to Holland call on the Naseby on the way.

29 Apr 2013, 2:19 p.m. - Dick Wilson

OK Ninepins. The deck isn't level; it's uphill or downhill or cross hill ... and the deck probably has some bumps and uneven planks in it. One or more ships' boys act as pin-spotters. I envisage spots painted on the deck in a diamond pattern: 1-2-3-2-1 pins. The pins might have looked like modern "duckpins" or like bottles or cylinders, who knows. A line should be painted on the deck: "bowl from behind here". The gentlemen bowlers help themselves to cannonballs, which, if they are cast, probably have a rim around them and are not really as round as one might wish. The ship pitches slightly, rolls a bit and the bowler takes a step and flings his missile underhanded, to roll across the deck towards the pins. How they might keep score is anyone's guess; how their two-man teams worked is another mystery. It's a game of skill with a large element of luck. The wager of a crown (I assume five shillings) between gentlemen is a reasonable sum, rather like winning or losing fifty dollars or twenty pounds to a golfing buddy, today. It's enough to make you take notice, little enough to collect, and a sum a gentlemen might not have on his person, at the moment of loss. I hope they gave a penny apiece to the boy.

29 Apr 2013, 5:43 p.m. - Bill

Here's a way to win at Nine-Pins: http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/684/?c=529821#c529821