Thursday 5 November 1668

Up, and Willet come home in the morning, and, God forgive me! I could not conceal my content thereat by smiling, and my wife observed it, but I said nothing, nor she, but away to the office. Presently up by water to White Hall, and there all of us to wait on the Duke of York, which we did, having little to do, and then I up and down the house, till by and by the Duke of York, who had bid me stay, did come to his closet again, and there did call in me and Mr. Wren; and there my paper, that I have lately taken pains to draw up, was read, and the Duke of York pleased therewith; and we did all along conclude upon answers to my mind for the Board, and that that, if put in execution, will do the King’s business. But I do now more and more perceive the Duke of York’s trouble, and that he do lie under great weight of mind from the Duke of Buckingham’s carrying things against him; and particularly when I advised that he would use his interest that a seaman might come into the room of W. Pen, who is now declared to be gone from us to that of the Victualling, and did shew how the Office would now be left without one seaman in it, but the Surveyour and the Controller, who is so old as to be able to do nothing, he told me plainly that I knew his mind well enough as to seamen, but that it must be as others will. And Wren did tell it me as a secret, that when the Duke of York did first tell the King about Sir W. Pen’s leaving of the place, and that when the Duke of York did move the King that either Captain Cox or Sir Jer. Smith might succeed him, the King did tell him that that was a matter fit to be considered of, and would not agree to either presently; and so the Duke of York could not prevail for either, nor knows who it shall be. The Duke of York did tell me himself, that if he had not carried it privately when first he mentioned Pen’s leaving his place to the King, it had not been done; for the Duke of Buckingham and those of his party do cry out upon it, as a strange thing to trust such a thing into the hands of one that stands accused in Parliament: and that they have so far prevailed upon the King that he would not have him named in Council, but only take his name to the Board; but I think he said that only D. Gawden’s name shall go in the patent; at least, at the time when Sir Richard Browne asked the King the names of D. Gawden’s security, the King told him it was not yet necessary for him to declare them. And by and by, when the Duke of York and we had done, and Wren brought into the closet Captain Cox and James Temple about business of the Guiney Company, and talking something of the Duke of Buckingham’s concernment therein, and says the Duke of York, “I will give the Devil his due, as they say the Duke of Buckingham hath paid in his money to the Company,” or something of that kind, wherein he would do right to him. The Duke of York told me how these people do begin to cast dirt upon the business that passed the Council lately, touching Supernumeraries, as passed by virtue of his authority there, there being not liberty for any man to withstand what the Duke of York advises there; which, he told me, they bring only as an argument to insinuate the putting of the Admiralty into Commission, which by all men’s discourse is now designed, and I perceive the same by him. This being done, and going from him, I up and down the house to hear news: and there every body’s mouth full of changes; and, among others, the Duke of York’s regiment of Guards, that was raised during the late war at sea, is to be disbanded: and also, that this day the King do intend to declare that the Duke of Ormond is no more Deputy of Ireland, but that he will put it into Commission. This day our new Treasurers did kiss the King’s hand, who complimented them, as they say, very highly, that he had for a long time been abused in his Treasurer, and that he was now safe in their hands. I saw them walk up and down the Court together all this morning; the first time I ever saw Osborne, who is a comely gentleman. This day I was told that my Lord Anglesey did deliver a petition on Wednesday in Council to the King, laying open, that whereas he had heard that his Majesty had made such a disposal of his place, which he had formerly granted him for life upon a valuable consideration, and that, without any thing laid to his charge, and during a Parliament’s sessions, he prayed that his Majesty would be pleased to let his case be heard before the Council and the judges of the land, who were his proper counsel in all matters of right: to which, I am told, the King, after my Lord’s being withdrawn, concluded upon his giving him an answer some few days hence; and so he was called in, and told so, and so it ended. Having heard all this I took coach and to Mr. Povy’s, where I hear he is gone to the Swedes Resident in Covent Garden, where he is to dine. I went thither, but he is not come yet, so I to White Hall to look for him, and up and down walking there I met with Sir Robert Holmes, who asking news I told him of Sir W. Pen’s going from us, who ketched at it so as that my heart misgives me that he will have a mind to it, which made me heartily sorry for my words, but he invited me and would have me go to dine with him at the Treasurer’s, Sir Thomas Clifford, where I did go and eat some oysters; which while we were at, in comes my Lord Keeper and much company; and so I thought it best to withdraw. And so away, and to the Swedes Agent’s, and there met Mr. Povy; where the Agent would have me stay and dine, there being only them, and Joseph Williamson, and Sir Thomas Clayton; but what he is I know not. Here much extraordinary noble discourse of foreign princes, and particularly the greatness of the King of France, and of his being fallen into the right way of making the kingdom great, which [none] of his ancestors ever did before. I was mightily pleased with this company and their discourse, so as to have been seldom so much in all my life, and so after dinner up into his upper room, and there did see a piece of perspective, but much inferior to Mr. Povy’s. Thence with Mr. Povy spent all the afternoon going up and down among the coachmakers in Cow Lane, and did see several, and at last did pitch upon a little chariott, whose body was framed, but not covered, at the widow’s, that made Mr. Lowther’s fine coach; and we are mightily pleased with it, it being light, and will be very genteel and sober: to be covered with leather, and yet will hold four. Being much satisfied with this, I carried him to White Hall; and so by coach home, where give my wife a good account of my day’s work, and so to the office, and there late, and so to bed.

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Terry Foreman   Link to this

The Royal Society today at Arundel House — from the Hooke Folio Online

Nouemb: 5. 1668. Dr. Wrens letter about motion)

expt. of macassar poyson [ http://www.bartleby.com/81/16994.html ] tryd on a dog.)

the curator made an expt. of letting a feather fall in a glasse cane about 7 foot long with a head on it which being well exhausted the feather fell from top to bottom in about 3" of time. but filled againe wth. air the same fell down in 7 1/2". both were seuerall times repeated. the same proposd the trying Expts. to determine the businesse of the comunicatio

Of motion for which purpose some tryalls had been made formerly wth 3 or more aequall wooded balls of which of the Lateralls had been Let fall against the middle most & impelled the other Laterall one to the like height from whence the first was fallen soe as the middle stirred very little vid. Oct. 17 & 24. 1666 he promisd to promised these expt. the next day. /74/ by imploying more balls and Letting the Exterior fall against the Intermediats

(capn. Salters turnd work) Auzouts obseruat in Italy of variation of needle 1 1/2 degree westward.) discourse of of Bonds theory Auzout at Septalys Study saw a magnet weigh . . 1 1/4 ounce which tooke vp. 77. ounces)

wallis to Heuelius about new starr in Cete) It was recomended to mr Hooke and others to take notice of this phenomen

(of telescopick glasses made at Paris wth. a turn lathe.)

http://webapps.qmul.ac.uk/cell/Hooke/hooke_foli...

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"wallis to Heuelius about new starr in Cete) It was recomended to mr Hooke and others to take notice of this phenomen "

"omicron Ceti or Mira was the first variable star to be found in the night sky. It is a red giant approximately 420 light-years distant from Earth. Its maximum magnitude can reach 2.0, making it one of the brightest stars in the sky, and then drop to 10.1 and make the star invisible to the naked eye. When German theologian David Fabricius discovered it in 1596, this put a new dent in the notion of unchangeability of the heavens, undermining the Ptolemaic model and shifting in favour of the Copernican Revolution and the heliocentric model. Mira was named by Polish astronomer Johannes Hevelius. The name means "wonderful" or "astonishing" in Latin. The star is a model for the category of stars known as Mira variables. Mira variables are pulsating variable stars, usually red giants, with pulsation periods longer than 100 days and light amplitudes exceeding one magnitude." http://www.topastronomer.com/StarCharts/Constel...

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"The Duke of York did tell me himself, that if he had not carried it privately when first he mentioned Pen’s leaving his place to the King, it had not been done; for the Duke of Buckingham and those of his party do cry out upon it, as a strange thing to trust such a thing into the hands of one that stands accused in Parliament: and that they have so far prevailed upon the King that he would not have him named in Council, but only take his name to the Board;"
So I take it, it's the Penn appointment in Victualling that's being blocked in the power struggle here. Interesting involvement of the Guinea Company...Which according to the reference link here and several sources should be in a state of extreme disorganization/reorganization right now, owing to its collapse during the Dutch war and the fighting in Africa. Perhaps Buckingham (or Charles?) sees an opportunity? I wonder if the key here might be that Charles, ever casting about for new sources of income, is using Buckingham to generate a secret tap into naval funds that Parliament can't follow...I can't see Charlie quite so casually abandoning control to Buckingham on such a cash cow unless he sees a chance to get more personally than Jamie in his bluff attempts to reform would make available. Whereas if Buckingham has promised Charles a generous cut in anything obtained...? This would suggest the Court is well aware of the sort of deals with various suppliers generating Sam's impressive rise in funds and is now out to get a larger piece (or, more likely all) of the pie. If so, Sam could be in serious danger, being an excellent fall guy to paint with all the faults since Buckingham seems determined to clothe his efforts in "assisting Parliament in reforming abuses" attire. Fortunately, for the moment, Penn seems the goat, Sam having won credit with Parliament for his ability and perhaps being too low profile...For the moment.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

This Fifth of November Pepys records naught of remembering that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night

Jenny   Link to this

This Fifth of November Pepys records naught of remembering that.

Maybe not this fifth but he did in 1660.

http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1660/11/05/

Mary   Link to this

Fifth of November

The Great Fire of 1666 had probably put a bit of a damper on the idea of lighting fires in the streets of London.

Yak   Link to this

I love this description:

"... some tryalls had been made formerly wth 3 or more aequall wooded balls of which of the Lateralls had been Let fall against the middle most & impelled the other Laterall one to the like height from whence the first was fallen soe as the middle stirred very little"

It's basically describing a 17th Century Newton's cradle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_cradle

The RS notes are an excellent adjunct to Pepys' diaries. I really appreciate being able to read them here in the annotations.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"Newton's Cradle"

The RS did this experiment 2 years ago (24 Oct 1668). I wonder why they are at this again, but the emphasis seems now on how high what is moved is moved.

http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1666/10/24/#c28...

Chris Squire   Link to this

‘ . . I met with Sir Robert Holmes, . . I told him of Sir W. Pen’s going from us, who ketched at it so . .’

‘ketch’ here = ‘catch’:
‘catch v. . . 23. to catch at : to snatch at; to make a quick or eager attempt to lay hold of; often fig. (Also with indirect passive.) Cf. 25b.
. . 1721–33 J. Strype Eccl. Mem. III. App. xx. 57 We hunted for praise from impiety, and catched at commendation from al kind of wickednes.

. . 25. b. intr. with at. Cf. 23.
c1680 W. Beveridge Serm. (1729) I. 202 You catch at all opportunities.

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