Thursday 8 August 1667

Up, and all the morning at the office, where busy, and at noon home to dinner, where Creed dined with us, who tells me that Sir Henry Bellasses is dead of the duell he fought about ten days ago, with Tom Porter; and it is pretty to see how the world talk of them as a couple of fools, that killed one another out of love. After dinner to the office a while, and then with my wife to the Temple, where I light and sent her to her tailor’s. I to my bookseller’s; where, by and by, I met Mr. Evelyn, and talked of several things, but particularly of the times: and he tells me that wise men do prepare to remove abroad what they have, for that we must be ruined, our case being past relief, the kingdom so much in debt, and the King minding nothing but his lust, going two days a-week to see my Lady Castlemayne at Sir D. Harvy’s. He gone, I met with Mr. Moore, who tells me that my Lord Hinchingbroke is now with his mistress, but not that he is married, as W. Howe come and told us the other day. So by coach to White Hall, and there staid a little, thinking to see Sir G. Carteret, but missed him, and so by coach took up my wife, and so home, and as far as Bow, where we staid and drank, and there, passing by Mr. Lowther and his lady, they stopped and we talked a little with them, they being in their gilt coach, and so parted; and presently come to us Mr. Andrews, whom I had not seen a good while, who, as other merchants do, do all give over any hopes of things doing well, and so he spends his time here most, playing at bowles. After dining together at the coach- side, we with great pleasure home, and so to the office, where I despatched my business, and home to supper, and to bed.

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Terry Foreman   Link to this

John Evelyn's Diary

8th August, 1667. Visited Mr. Oldenburg, a close prisoner in the Tower, being suspected of writing intelligence. I had an order from Lord Arlington, Secretary of State, which caused me to be admitted. This gentleman was secretary to our Society, and I am confident will prove an innocent person.

http://bit.ly/cOXQbW

Terry Foreman   Link to this

SPOILER

"After the Restoration [ Henry Oldenburg ] became an early member (original fellow) of the Royal Society (founded in 1660), and served as its first secretary along with John Wilkins, maintaining an extensive network of scientific contacts through Europe. He also became the founding editor of the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. Oldenburg began the practice of sending submitted manuscripts to experts who could judge their quality before publication. This was the beginning of both the modern scientific journal and the practice of peer review.[5] Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society continues today and is the longest running scientific journal in the world.

"He was briefly imprisoned as a suspected spy, in 1667, during the Second Anglo-Dutch War."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Oldenburg#Se...

Terry Foreman   Link to this

Today's entries are particularly illustrative of the contrast and asymmetry of the diaries of Pepys and Evelyn and the difference in their social class.

On the 15th a report on Evelyn's "account" will dramatize this. http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1667/08/15/

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"...who tells me that Sir Henry Bellasses is dead of the duell he fought about ten days ago, with Tom Porter; and it is pretty to see how the world talk of them as a couple of fools..."

"I like not such grinning honor..." Falstaff, Henry IV Part I.

Larry Bunce   Link to this

...and he tells me that wise men do prepare to remove abroad what they have, for that we must be ruined, our case being past relief, the kingdom so much in debt...
I have seen websites with this very assessment of the current world situation. Maybe this time it will really happen that way.

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"...come to us Mr. Andrews, whom I had not seen a good while, who, as other merchants do, do all give over any hopes of things doing well, and so he spends his time here most, playing at bowles."

"Aren't you even going to try for it, Mr. Andrews?"
-"A Night to Remember"

JWB   Link to this

Oldenburg on his suspect correspondence: "...this expressed from me some words of complaint of neglect & security on our side..."

See: Henry Oldenburg: shaping the Royal Society By Marie Boas Hall, p117

http://books.google.com/books?id=nTAuRqnkvs0C&l...

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"Oldenburg on his suspect correspondence: “…this expressed from me some words of complaint of neglect & security on our side…”"

JWB, thanks for the read of poor Oldenburg, whose crime had been to say abroad what was commonly said everywhere in London -- as Pepys has attested.

nix   Link to this

I think there have been some previous instances in which Samuel mentions some interaction with Evelyn, and I vaguely recall one or two quotations from Evelyn mentioning Samuel -- but I don't think in any of them we had both of their versions of the same encounter. Have there been any?

Terry Foreman   Link to this

Evelyn will first mention Pepys in his diary in 1669, but corresponded with Pepys on business as Commissioner for the Sick and Wounded since 1665, and opined in one letter they should know each other better.

For details see *Particular friends: the correspondence of Samuel Pepys and John Evelyn* By Guy De la Bédoyère, p. 11
http://bit.ly/d9hLPY

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