Wednesday 11 January 1664/65

Up, and very angry with my boy for lying long a bed and forgetting his lute. To my office all the morning. At noon to the ‘Change, and so home to dinner. After dinner to Gresham College to my Lord Brunker and Commissioner Pett, taking, Mr. Castle with me there to discourse over his draught of a ship he is to build for us. Where I first found reason to apprehend Commissioner Pett to be a man of an ability extraordinary in any thing, for I found he did turn and wind Castle like a chicken in his business, and that most pertinently and mister-like, and great pleasure it was to me to hear them discourse, I, of late having studied something thereof, and my Lord Brunker is a very able person also himself in this sort of business, as owning himself to be a master in the business of all lines and Conicall Sections: Thence home, where very late at my office doing business to my content, though [God] knows with what ado it was that when I was out I could get myself to come home to my business, or when I was there though late would stay there from going abroad again. To supper and to bed. This evening, by a letter from Plymouth, I hear that two of our ships, the Leopard and another, in the Straights, are lost by running aground; and that three more had like to have been so, but got off, whereof Captain Allen one: and that a Dutch fleete are gone thither; which if they should meet with our lame ships, God knows what would become of them. This I reckon most sad newes; God make us sensible of it! This night, when I come home, I was much troubled to hear my poor canary bird, that I have kept these three or four years, is dead.

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Eric Walla   Link to this

[God] knows with what ado it was that when I was out I could get myself to come home to my business, or when I was there though late would stay there from going abroad again.

OK, trying to make sense ... does this mean he found himself wanting to stay out on the town rather than return to work, then when he was back at work he had a hard time keeping himself from going out to seek pleasure again?

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"Conicall Sections"

"Conic sections are among the oldest curves, and is an oldest math subject studied systematically and thoroughly."
http://xahlee.org/SpecialPlaneCurves_dir/ConicS...

Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conic_section

Brouncker was a most able mathematician, and the second (and long-serving -- 1662-1677) president of the Royal Society. "He was the first in England to take interest in generalised continued fractions and, following the work of John Wallis, he provided development in the generalised continued fraction of pi." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brouncker

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"Troubles" in Ulster have contnued, says the Carte Calendar

Ossory to Ormond
Written from: [Dublin]

Date: 11 January 1665

Shelfmark: MS. Carte 220, fol(s). 199
Document type: Holograph

Sends further copies of examinations upon recent political conspiracies [in Ulster]. Describes the military measures that have been taken.

In the writer's judgment, it is clear that Irishman [meaning (as the context shews) such Irishmen as were controlled by the Romanist Clergy] and Fanatic, although in most things so opposed to one other, "will agree in opposition to the King's authority ... by the union of those that head them".

http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/dept/scwmss/projects...

Martha Rosen   Link to this

Could "mister-like" mean "masterfully"? Also, "wind Castle like a chicken" sounds like part of a commonly used phrase. Does anybody recognize it?

Martha Wishart   Link to this

"wind Castle like a chicken" is wonderful. Now, I think, to wind someone up means to tease or annoy them. Do you think Pepys is using this in the same sense?

Martha

Terry Foreman   Link to this

The L&M Select Glossary says that “wind like a chicken” means to "wind round one's little finger," which doesn't explain WHY THAT simile. I thought of my Grandma's wringing a chicken's neck to prepare it for dinner; not quite the same.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

Anyone know how you "wind a chicken"?

Paul Chapin   Link to this

dead canary
Well, this is the first we've heard of this creature, so far as I can recall, so I guess that makes it more plausible that Sam could have had an eagle on the premises without telling us about it either.

I hope the canary didn't die from carbon monoxide or other noxious gases that could also affect the human inhabitants.

Brian   Link to this

Could "wind Castle like a chicken" be analogous to slowly turning him on a spit over a fire??

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"I was much troubled to hear my poor canary bird, that I have kept these three or four years, is dead."

It's been kept 5 years: Friday 25 January 1660/61 "This night comes two cages, which I bought this evening for my canary birds, which Captain Rooth this day sent me." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1661/01/25/

This sources reports "Average lifespan for canaries is 4-7 years." http://elmersaquarium.com/s6canaryinventory.htm though longer-lived canaries are also reported.

AussieRene   Link to this

Terry, I understand what a "maths (abbreviated name for mathematics)subject" is but what is a "math" subject?

Capt.Petrus.S.Dorpmans   Link to this

11th.Jan.1664-65

"...This evening, by a letter from Plymouth, I hear that two of our ships, the Leopard and another, in the Straights, are lost by running aground;.."

See entry on January 14th, where the names of the ships are given as "Phoenix" and "Nonsuch". The "Phoenix" was a fourth-rate, or thirty-eight guns, built at Woolwich in 1647 by Peter Pett, Jun.

(The Diary of Samuel Pepys by H.B. Wheatley. Random House.New York.USA.Brampton, London, Febr.1893).

Tony Eldridge   Link to this

I hear that two of our ships, the Leopard and another, in the Straights, are lost by running aground; and that three more had like to have been so, but got off

Surely the link is wrong here? These must be the Dover Straights in the English Channel where, only a few days ago, a large container ship ran aground on a sandbank in spite of all its navigation aids. They used to row out to an area of the Goodwin Sands to play cricket at exceptionally low tides - I wonder if that still happens?

Pedro   Link to this

Captain..."See entry on January 14th"

I think that is the general convention on the site not to mention events that are known to be recorded later in the Diary. If anyone thinks it is needed they normally place SPOILER (in capitals) before the mention so that those who wish, and I think this is the majority, can watch events as they unfold.

Pedro   Link to this

I hear that two of our ships, the Leopard and another, in the Straights,

Tom, they are ships in Allen’s squadron who, as far as Sam is concerned at this present moment, would be in the Med. I presume the news was received from a homecoming merchantman. He would have known that Allen had been sent to the Med to “deal” with the Barbaries. In fact he had concluded another peace in Algiers.

(more could be said but it would be a spoiler!)

Amanda French   Link to this

"Math" is what we call it in the U.S. instead of "maths." Although "an oldest math subject" is weird. But Terry's just quoting.

Ruben   Link to this

"two of our ships, the Leopard and another, in the Straights, are lost by running aground..."

It was Henry Trengrouse (where did he pick that name?) who cared enough and was inventive enough to develop a system to save the lives of the poor people on the stranded ships. Just a pity it was hundreds of years later.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Trengrouse

Ruben   Link to this

More on my digression:
There is a very moving site "erected" by descendents of Trengrouse.
see: http://members.iinet.net.au/~dodd/gail/tallship...

Nate   Link to this

"Anyone know how you “wind a chicken”?"

Chase it until it can't run anymore? Continue to challenge assertions until the asserter has no arguments left?

language hat   Link to this

"wind a chicken"

"Wind" means "wring" here. OED:

5.a. trans. To put into a curved or twisted form or state; to bend; to twist; to wring. Obs.
[...]1581 G. PETTIE tr. Guazzo's Civ. Conv. III. (1586) 126 They would winde her neck behinde her, like a chicken [orig. le torcerebbono il collo].

Gerry   Link to this

"oldest math subject" is an apt description of conic sections viz the four curves that can be cut from a cone. The Greeks studied them.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

The war-beat advances apace; Dirk might warn the boys in the taverns to watch their backs: see the Carte Calendar:

Lord Deputy & Council of Ireland to Ormond
Written from: Dublin

Date: 11 January 1665

Shelfmark: MS. Carte 34, fol(s). 14
Document type: Original [with thirteen signatures]

Report their proceedings concerning a levy, in Ireland, of a thousand seamen, to serve in the war against the Dutch.

--------------
Encloses

Lord Deputy & Council of Ireland to the Lords of the Council, in England

Date: 1665

Shelfmark: MS. Carte 34, fol(s). 14
Document type: Copy [Misbound]

Have received their Lordships' letters of 23rd December, and in obedience thereto have proceeded as directed, in the impressing of seamen for his Majesty's service.

http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/dept/scwmss/projects...

cgs   Link to this

but what is a “math” subject?
only after 1847 math be be a mathematic subject, prior, it be
Math, one meaning.
A mowing; the action or work of mowing; that which may be or has been mowed; the portion of a crop that has been mowed. See also AFTERMATH n., DAY MATH n., LATTERMATH n., UNDERMATH n.
In R. E. Zupko Dict. Eng. Weights & Measures (1968) defined at that entry as ‘in Herefordshire equal to approx. 1 acre..or to the amount of land that a man could mow in a day’, but app. on the basis of an instance of day's math (see quot. 1820 at DAY MATH n.).[1305]
...
1633 BP. J. HALL Plaine Explic. Hard Texts I. 557 The first mowing thereof for the Kings use (which is wont to be sooner then the common mathe). a1656 J. USSHER Ann. World (1658) iv. 37 At the end of the spring, at the second math of grasse.
math 2:
In South Asia: a monastery, esp. one for celibate Hindu mendicants. 1828

Math 3
Mathematics (esp. as a subject of study at school or college).
Cf. MATHS n. (the usual British colloquial abbreviation).
1847
to do the math colloq.[1947]

Robert Gertz   Link to this

Say, was any decision ever reached on Tom Edwards' actual age? I know back on the August 27, 1664 entry when he arrived one of us noted his birthyear was listed by L&M as 1645 but he seems much younger and one of the commentators under the link for him suggests he might have been as young as 13 or 14 which sounds more likely.

Robert Gertz   Link to this

So there's solid ability behind more than one member of the Pett monopoly.

One must give credit to Sam...There must be a little heartache at seeing the Pett dynasty of able, successful men and knowing there will likely not be a Pepys dynasty.

Linda F   Link to this

Was it Sam's boy's duty to wake him each day with lute playing, or to wake him and then play?
A day that begins and ends with lost music

To Martha R: re: "misterlike": I read this as an abbreviated form of "ministerlike" -- as in "ministerial" -- to indicate Pett's manner of exercising authority or his (to use the awful current word we hear too often) administrative method.

Carl in Boston   Link to this

The people on the Navy Board are all specialized, it seems.
Lord Sandwich is an able seaman and can command a fleet of ships.
Commissioner Pett can design and build ships.
Samuel Pepys can count beans and draw up the financial accounts
Lord Brunker is a smart and intelligent man who knows conic sections, but I don't see where conic sections help in running a Navy, other than he is smart.
Where the other commissioners fit in the organization, I don't know yet.
Charles II didn't have much money to run England, but he put the right men on the Navy Board, one of each kind of man.

Paul Chapin   Link to this

Terry, excellent recall or research on the canary. I had forgotten the earlier entry entirely.

One small correction: we are now four years, not five, removed from January 1660/61, when the birds arrived. At that time there were at least two of them. We haven't heard the fate of the other(s) (again, as far as I can recall).

Paul Chapin   Link to this

One thing that interests me about this war is that it is being fought almost entirely at sea, aside from some skirmishes at remote colonial outposts. Neither side, it seems, has the slightest intention of invading the other's homeland.

cgs   Link to this

The Dutch be tired of land wars having lost many good men in all the 'conflags' of this century, with no material gain but it relatively easy to borrow some ships from the merchants, and up gun, the merchant did not mind, English or Dutch and others, as it could be profitable when obtaining prize vessels, they would only sink ships with lots of guns, all others be ready to be restocked up with merchadize, unlike now, very little recycling of ll that tax money.

Michael Robinson   Link to this

" ... my poor canary bird ..."

A finch of the period, Carl Fabritius' 'The Goldfinch,' 1654, painted in Pepys' favorite genre of trompe-l'oeil; from the perspective of the piece it was made to hang high on the wall.

http://www.mauritshuis.nl/index.aspx?FilterId=9...
(Clicking the image on the right opens an enlarged 'zoomable' window.)

Australian Susan   Link to this

"forgetting his lute"

I took this to mean the lad had not got up early to do his instrument practice. maybe that's the mother in me - to jump to this conclusion - so many mornings used to begin with "Have you done your [insert instrument name here] practice?"

Australian Susan   Link to this

Information about "The Leopard"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Leopard

There is a street in South Brisbane named Leopard after a RN ship which visited Brisbane when that particular block of streets was being named. Presumably that was the 1890s one.

Pedro   Link to this

Information about “The Leopard”

There should be a link to the Encyclopedia, where more information for this ship awaits the interested annotator.

JWB   Link to this

"...but I don’t see where conic sections help in running a Navy..."

Layout lines were set in molding lofts to which the timbers of a ships frame were made to conform. Conic sections (parts of ellipses, parabolas & hyperbolas) were pieced into curved sections of the patterns to make them "fair" or free-flowing. Note that Analytical Geometry can be said to originated W/ Descartes 1637 "Discouse of Method" and that Brouncker translated him. Pett no doubt would have come at the problem by fitting curves manually to the space while Brouncker may have brought in the new conjunction of algebra and geometry.

Glyn   Link to this

Any comments on Eric Walla's question at the start of this thread?

It puzzles me as well. I assumed it meant that wherever he was that day, he was reluctant to go elsewhere - maybe he's feeling lazy or it's a bad weather day.

cgs   Link to this

my tort; Could it be that Our Lad does not want to go home as the rolling pin be awaiting and the cook be gone so it be left overs, but it does need the input from one of the 20th century sciences of reading between the lines.

Australian Susan   Link to this

Re Glyn and Eric's point

I think this comment by Sam exemplifies aspects of his character we have come to know well: he is very enthusiastic when out and about, getting the news (and the gossip) and meeting new people, convivial meals in taverns and so on, but also when he gets stuck into his work, he really gets his trotters in the trough and only the "lateness of the hour" or desire for food and sleep "to supper and to bed" get him away from the paper and ink and ledgers.

cgs   Link to this

Glad to to hear thy dulcet tones again Glyn.

Nick Burningham   Link to this

Conical sections are used to make "french curves" used in drawing the draughts or plans that give the shape of a ship.

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