Friday 3 July 1668

Betimes to the office, my head full of this business. Then by coach to the Commissioners of Accounts at Brooke House, the first time I was ever there, and there Sir W. Turner in the chair; and present, Lord Halifax, Thoms[on], Gregory, Dunster, and Osborne. I long with them, and see them hot set on this matter; but I did give them proper and safe answers. Halifax, I perceive, was industrious on my side, in behalf of his uncle Coventry, it being the business of Sir W. Warren. Vexed only at their denial of a copy of what I set my hand to, and swore. Here till almost two o’clock, and then home to dinner, and set down presently what I had done and said this day, and so abroad by water to Eagle Court in the Strand, and there to an alehouse: met Mr. Pierce, the Surgeon, and Dr. Clerke, Waldron, Turberville, my physician for the eyes, and Lowre, to dissect several eyes of sheep and oxen, with great pleasure, and to my great information. But strange that this Turberville should be so great a man, and yet, to this day, had seen no eyes dissected, or but once, but desired this Dr. Lowre to give him the opportunity to see him dissect some. Thence to Unthanke’s, to my wife, and carried her home, and there walked in the garden, and so to supper and to bed. —[Mr. Unthanke was Mrs. Pepys tailor. D.W.]


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Terry Foreman  •  Link

"But strange that this Turberville should be so great a man, and yet, to this day, had seen no eyes dissected, or but once, but desired this Dr. Lowre to give him the opportunity to see him dissect some."

The handicap of all but members of the Barber-Surgeons' Company? What would they have seen? and to what end? What guidance may they have received from the late conjectures, discussions and experiments of the Royal Society?

Geoff Hallett  •  Link

Wondered where everyone had gone, thanks Phil.

Robert Gertz  •  Link

It is curious Turberville hadn't done so.

Terry Foreman  •  Link

"and so abroad by water to Eagle Court in the Strand, and there to an alehouse: met Mr. Pierce, the Surgeon, and Dr. Clerke, Waldron, Turberville, my physician for the eyes, and Lowre"

L&M: All were physicians; Richard Lower the most distinguished of them.

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

'Charles II: July 1668', in Calendar of State Papers Domestic: Charles II, 1667-8, ed. Mary Anne Everett Green (London, 1893), pp. 469-516.
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-state-paper…

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July 3. 1668
Yarmouth.
Rich. Bower to Williamson.

Passage of ships.

The Act for wine is not yet put into execution, any further than to summon the vintners and distillers.
On appearing, they found no Commissioners at the office appointed;
they are supposed to be waiting for Wm. Kirkman, a wool merchant, who has undertaken the management of 7 counties, and is detained at Ipswich by sickness, so that nothing is done.

I have perused the Act, and find it so lame that it will never answer the fourth penny of what was intended to be raised by it, so that there must be an additional Act next session.
They may perhaps rely too much upon the help they shall have the third year, when 4l. per tun is to be paid for all wines imported;
but if the merchant shall stock himself by importing a greater quantity of wine in the vintage of 1669, and so to 24 June 1670, little will be paid for wine imported the third year, as there will be so little brought over.
[S.P. Dom., Car. II. 242, No. 130.]

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July 3. 1668
Proclamation
for further adjourning the Parliament from 11 August to 10 November next.
[Printed. Proc. Coll. Charles II., 260.]

THE STUART BROTHERS AND THE CABAL CABINET DON'T NEED THE HOUSE OF COMMONS MEDDLING IN A WAR WITH FRANCE, THANK YOU.

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

"... so abroad by water to Eagle Court in the Strand, and there to an alehouse: ..."

Five eminent physicians and the Clerk of the Acts for the Navy meet at an alehouse off the Strand to disect sheep and oxen eyes. I wonder what the innkeeper made of that. "George -- we need another plate ASAP. No, we don't need any food, thanks."

Makes me aware of how sanitary conditions are taken for granted these days.

Mary K  •  Link

"set down presently what I had done and said..."

i.e. at once, without delay.

James Morgan  •  Link

My understanding is that physicians and surgeons were two distinct groups. Physicians dealt with all medications, psychological and external treatments. Surgeons were less highly regarded and dealt with amputations. Scientific research by dissection was new to both.

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

You are correct, James.

However, these are eyes of oxen and sheep, and the physicians were not operating on eyes; they were dissecting them.

However, I see that 'physicians' have done cataract surgery for 4,000 years, and I wouldn't want someone used to doing amputations to do that, would you?
https://www.eyeops.com/blog/history-of-cataract-s…

In this case I think the context of eyes is everything.

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