Monday 6 January 1661/62

(Twelfth day). This morning I sent my lute to the Paynter’s, and there I staid with him all the morning to see him paint the neck of my lute in my picture, which I was not pleased with after it was done. Thence to dinner to Sir W. Pen’s, it being a solemn feast day with him, his wedding day, and we had, besides a good chine of beef and other good cheer, eighteen mince pies in a dish, the number of the years that he hath been married, where Sir W. Batten and his Lady, and daughter was, and Colonel Treswell and Major Holmes, who I perceive would fain get to be free and friends with my wife, but I shall prevent it, and she herself hath also a defyance against him. After dinner they set in to drinking, so that I would stay no longer, but went away home, and Captain Cock, who was quite drunk, comes after me, and there sat awhile and so away, and anon I went again after the company was gone, and sat and played at cards with Sir W. Pen and his children, and so after supper home, and there I hear that my man Gull was gone to bed, and upon enquiry I hear that he did vomit before he went to bed, and complained his head ached, and thereupon though he was asleep I sent for him out of his bed, and he rose and came up to me, and I appeared very angry and did tax him with being drunk, and he told me that he had been with Mr. Southerne and Homewood at the Dolphin, and drank a quart of sack, but that his head did ache before he went out. But I do believe he has drunk too much, and so I did threaten him to bid his uncle dispose of him some other way, and sent him down to bed and do resolve to continue to be angry with him. So to bed to my wife, and told her what had passed.


7 Jan 2005, 9:41 a.m. - GrahamT

Twelfth Night. Lots of information in the background notes http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/1731/#c10178 and annotations for previous years

7 Jan 2005, 9:46 a.m. - Robert Gertz

"...to bed to my wife, and told her what had passed." "What, Sam'l? William drunk?" Beth stares at him. "Shocking...Wherever could he have picked such bad behavior up?" she rolls her eyes as he turns away.

7 Jan 2005, 9:49 a.m. - Pedro.

"he was asleep I sent for him out of his bed,... did tax him with being drunk," Go on Will, ask Sam about the two occasions he could not say prayers! http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1661/11/10/ http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1661/09/29/

7 Jan 2005, 11:55 a.m. - A. De Araujo

"and Major Holmes.....would fain get to be free with my wife........and Captain Cock who was quite drunk,comes after me.........." these Christmas parties can be very upseting!

7 Jan 2005, 12:45 p.m. - Mary

Captain Cock. At it again, we see.

7 Jan 2005, 3:22 p.m. - Nix

"my man Gull" - Was this a scanning error? I don't recall Samuel using a nickname in the past.

7 Jan 2005, 4:25 p.m. - Mary

My man Gull. L&M reads 'Gul' and italicizes the name: for Gulielmus (i.e. William) Hewer.

7 Jan 2005, 5:22 p.m. - Glyn

Pepys seems to treat the artist in the same way as the workmen who decorated his house, by monitoring them as closely as possible. Presumably standing behind the painter all the morning, who doesn't need him there to be painted, would have been quite irritating - especially if Pepys was making 'helpful' suggestions as to how to paint the lute.

7 Jan 2005, 6:38 p.m. - BradW

Major Holmes, who I perceive would fain get to be free and friends with my wife, but I shall prevent it, and she herself hath also a defyance against him. Whenever I see Sam (or any man) being jealous over (subjectively-judged) attentions to his wife or gal, I always wonder if any other witnesses would agree, or if he's the pathologically possessive type. Here, at last, we have a second witness (Liz herself) backing up his perception. To me that vindicates his character somewhat. Maybe she can even teach him a thing or two about the injury wrought by a wandering eye, before it's too late....

7 Jan 2005, 7:17 p.m. - vicenzo

'uman nature, it don't change when the head is being decontrolled by a little vino. Interesting take on Gul [Will], Where does our young man, get enough pocket money to indulge in time old game of inbibing. Seneca the elder, did write but Sam may not remember "Bibamus, moriendum est" from Controversiae, II, 6, 3. We drink, dying is certain.

7 Jan 2005, 7:21 p.m. - vicenzo

"...who I perceive would fain get to be free and friends with my wife, but I shall prevent it, and she herself hath also a defyance against him..." Wheres the Glove? Sam, and a trip to hide parke, behind those clusters of bushes.

7 Jan 2005, 7:34 p.m. - vicenzo

Such a waste of hard earned coin "... I hear that he did vomit before he went to bed...", Sams says nowt about his wasting of his intake, [ maybe Sam has never experience such humiliation]on the the flower bed. Sam was upset about the mess created, rather than the 'ead aking, I doth think.

7 Jan 2005, 7:41 p.m. - vicenzo

"...to see him paint the neck of my lute in my picture, which I was not pleased with after it was done...." but Sam! ye be a pain in the ..... but of course! 'I want me hard earned monies worth,' could be Sam's thought.

9 Jan 2005, 4:07 a.m. - David Goldfarb

That "bibamus" is stronger than "we drink", it's in the subjunctive mood and so is "let us drink".

9 Jan 2005, 6:42 p.m. - vicenzo

"http://www.geocities.com/k_okkels/quotes.html" for one of many sites one should check before letting my belly rumble. thanks

19 May 2014, 1:01 a.m. - Terry Foreman

Gul. Hewer "had been with Mr. Southerne and Homewood at the Dolphin". L&M note these are clerks at the Navy Office. The severity of Pepys's pique at Will may well be due to concerns about the habits of all those who are and are known at the Dolphin to be his subordinates -- whatever his own drinking habits may be (see vicenzo's post about Seneca).

16 Nov 2014, 3:55 p.m. - Bill

"his wedding day, and we had ... eighteen mince pies in a dish" The same custom is noticed, Feb. 3, 1661-62. ---Diary and correspondence of Samuel Pepys, the diary deciphered by J. Smith. 1854.

13 Jan 2015, 1:18 p.m. - Kelvin Hard

Does anyone know when mince pies stopped having meat in them?

20 Jun 2017, 1:44 p.m. - eileen d.

"Does anyone know when mince pies stopped having meat in them?" per Wikipedia article: "...as Great Britain entered the Victorian age, the addition of meat had, for many, become an afterthought (although the use of suet remains).[16] Its taste then was broadly similar to that experienced today, although some 20th-century writers continued to advocate the inclusion of meat.[17]..." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mince_pie

20 Jun 2017, 1:47 p.m. - eileen d.

for more on mince pies, see our site encyclopedia entry under "foods: baked" http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/3371/

9 Nov 2017, 9:21 p.m. - Terry Foreman

Glyn on 7 Jan 2005 • Link • Flag "Pepys seems to treat the artist in the same way as the workmen who decorated his house, by monitoring them as closely as possible. Presumably standing behind the painter all the morning, who doesn't need him there to be painted, would have been quite irritating - especially if Pepys was making 'helpful' suggestions as to how to paint the lute." Keenly observed, Glyn. For Pepys apparently any kind of painter is a craftsman - he works with his hands. He would therefore not be the kind of person Pepys would be comfortable having at his dining table, as we will see later with another person of this class who is not family. Methinks Pepys is trying to escape being the son of a tailor (son of a "pricklouse" said his wife in anger)..

11 Mar 2021, 11:04 p.m. - Terry Foreman

"This morning I sent my lute to the Paynter’s, and there I staid with him all the morning to see him paint the neck of my lute in my picture," L&M: Savill's portrait: see ttps://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1661/11/23/#c552072 The lute may have been the theorbo mentioned at https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1661/10/09/ https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1661/10/25/ https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1661/10/30/

11 Mar 2021, 11:17 p.m. - Terry Foreman

"Thence to dinner to Sir W. Pen’s, it being a solemn feast day with him, his wedding day, and we had, besides a good chine of beef and other good cheer, eighteen mince pies in a dish, the number of the years that he hath been married" L&M: He had married Margaret van der Schuren, widow, in 1643 at St Martin's Ludgate. A certificate of 1652 in HMC, Portland, ii.84, gives the date as 6 June - presumably a mistranscription.

11 Mar 2021, 11:33 p.m. - Terry Foreman

"and Major Holmes, who I perceive would fain get to be free and friends with my wife, but I shall prevent it, and she herself hath also a defyance against him." L&M: Pepys earlier refers to the 'old business which he [Holmes] attempted upon my wife': https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1661/12/22/ and https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1661/12/22/#c25626