Thursday 9 January 1667/68

Up, and to the office, having first been visited by my cozen Anthony Joyce about the 350l. which he desires me to lend him, and which I have a mind enough to do, but would have it in my power to call it out again in a little time, and so do take a little further time to consider it. So to the office, where all the morning busy, and so home at noon to dinner with my people, where Mr. Hollier come and dined with me, and it is still mighty pleasant to hear him talk of Rome and the Pope, with what hearty zeal and hatred he talks against him. After dinner to the office again, where busy till night, very busy, and among other things wrote to my father about lending Anthony Joyce the money he desires; and I declare that I would do it as part of Pall’s portion, and that Pall should have the use of the money till she be married, but I do propose to him to think of Mr. Cumberland rather than this Jackson that he is upon; and I confess I have a mighty mind to have a relation so able a man, and honest, and so old an acquaintance as Mr. Cumberland. I shall hear his answer by the next [post]. At night home and to cards with my wife and girle, and to supper late, and so to bed.

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Terry Foreman   Link to this

The Royal Society today at Arundel House — from the Hooke Folio Online

Ian: 9. 1667/8. (Dr. Kings siluer pipes for mr Townly.) account of transfusion on coga)

Dr Clark account of Heuelius paper) manuscript of Amber to be Translated by Haak & oldenburg). Sr. The Deuaux paper of clayes -

Auzout desires an account of my new Leuell. mr. Hooke was desired to make a draught of it to be sent to him.

expt. for next Day. 1 weather glasse for sea 2 Dr Croons wine vessell 3 cider module 4. tying Iugular. 5 shining fish. 6 circulation not through Lungs. 7. perfecting clockwork)

It was also orderd that the curator should bring in an account of his new astronomicall Instrument answering that of mr Townly for diuiding a foot into many thousand parts & thereby obseruing the Distances of starrs & that the coppy thereof should be [In margin]Vz. sent to mr Heuelius - [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Towneley#G... ]

http://webapps.qmul.ac.uk/cell/Hooke/hooke_foli...

Terry Foreman   Link to this

John Evelyn's Diary

9th January, 1668. Went to see the revels at the Middle Temple, which is also an old riotous custom, and has relation neither to virtue nor policy.

[ (T)he students of the Inns of Court learned to dance, sing, and play instrumental music; and those accomplishments found expression no doubt in the "masques" and "revels" for which the societies formerly distinguished themselves, especially the Inner Temple and Gray's Inn. These entertainments were of great antiquity and much magnificence, involving very considerable expense....The plays and masques performed were sometimes repeated elsewhere than in the hall of the Inns, especially before the sovereign in court. A master of the revels was appointed, commonly designated Lord of Misrule (in the Middle Temple, the Prince D'Amour, whose reign ended on February 2, Candlemas), whose authority in making the necessary arrangements was paramount. Abundant information as to the scope and nature of these entertainments has come down to us: one of the festivals is minutely described by Gerard Leigh in his 'Accedence of Armorie', 1612; and a tradition ascribes the first performance of Shakespeare's 'Twelfth Night' to a revel held in the Middle Temple hall in February 1601. http://is.gd/gP4cL ]

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Terry Foreman   Link to this

John Werden to Sandwich
Written from: Madrid
Date: 9/19 January 1668

Has received his Lordship's letters from Talaveruela. There is a delay interposed in the transmission of that for Lord Arlington, for want of papers from Don Pedro del Campo which are to accompany it. Advice has come that Lord Clarendon is certainly at Paris.

Don John of Austria [ http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/6420/ ] has presented a Memorial to the Queen Regent [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/María_Calderón ] insisting on being declared an Infant of Spain. It is said that this proceeding is so highly resented, that Don John will not be allowed to prosecute his intended journey to Flanders.

Reports the complaint which he has received from the Consul of Cadiz "of his confinement", contrary to stipulation in the recent Treaty. The Dutch & Hanseatic Consuls are, he adds, in the same condition.

http://www.rsl.ox.ac.uk/dept/scwmss/projects/ca...

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"visited by my cozen Anthony Joyce about the L350 which he desires me to lend him, and which I have a mind enough to do, but would have it in my power to call it out again in a little time"

Cp. last month's 22nd: "Cozen Kate Joyce come....to see us and to tell me that her husband is going to build his house again, and would borrow of me 300l., which I shall upon good security be willing to do,...." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1667/12/22/

Generous SP? Methinks not to the Joyce's but to Sister Paulina: "wrote to my father about lending Anthony Joyce the money he desires; and I declare that I would do it as part of Pall's portion, and that Pall should have the use of the money till she be married"

Australian Susan   Link to this

"...where Mr. Hollier come and dined with me, and it is still mighty pleasant to hear him talk of Rome and the Pope, with what hearty zeal and hatred he talks against him..."

SP does not seem to have used Mr H as a character witness when he fell foul of Mr Oates' spurious accusations post-Diary. Maybe Hollier had died by then. Presumably he might have recalled this conversation and SP's obvious pleasure in it and been a support to this cause.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"SP does not seem to have used Mr H as a character witness when he fell foul of Mr Oates’ spurious accusations post-Diary. Maybe Hollier had died by then."

The L&M Companion records Mr H retiring from St Bart's Hospital in 1680 -- just as the charges against Pepys were dropped. Pepys's case seems to have involved discrediting the witnesses and the perjured testimony regarding his alleged specific misdeeds in France and England, not so much establishing his anti-Catholic creds.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

FWIW, the L&M Companion records that Mr H “seems according to his monumental inscription in Christ Church Newgate [ How unimpeachable is THAT? ] to have continued practising at St Thomas’s until his death” in 1690.

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"I declare that I would do it as part of Pall’s portion, and that Pall should have the use of the money till she be married, but I do propose to him to think of Mr. Cumberland rather than this Jackson that he is upon; and I confess I have a mighty mind to have a relation so able a man, and honest, and so old an acquaintance as Mr. Cumberland."

I take it Sam means he would let John Sr. hold the note in Pall's name?

Spoiler...It seems Pall missed out on having a philosopher husband of her brother's choosing-Lucky girl. Given Pall is reported by Tomalin to have pretty much found Jackson herself, it's interesting Sam suggests he's John's choice...Though I suppose it would be politic for Sam to act as though all were done by Pater John. Also given that what we know of John Sr.'s physical condition doesn't support his actively seeking grooms for Pall, I'd guess Tomalin is right and Pall did her own matchmaking...And won out over brother Sam's attempts to press a suitor on her. Hmmn I wonder if this is actually a not-so subtle bribe... "Dad, get her to dump this farmer for my acquaintance and you get a note with interest on 350ls"?

Robin Peters   Link to this

I am always confused by the year date not changing until April though both years being shown in blog. The link to "the Pope" is to Alexander VII but surely he had been succeeded by this time by Clement IX

Phil Gyford   Link to this

Thanks Robin - I've corrected the link to the Pope so it's the correct Pope now!

Ruben   Link to this

Alexander VII or Clement IX
This Pope and the previous one were in far away Rome and all of them were "the Pope". In those days, I presume most Englishman did not know who the Pope was and did not care. They were against and that's all.

language hat   Link to this

"In those days, I presume most Englishman did not know who the Pope was and did not care."

I disagree. Know thy enemy and all that. Most Westerners knew (say) Stalin was in charge of the Soviet Union no matter how much they hated communism.

Ruben   Link to this

“In those days, I presume most Englishman did not know who the Pope was and did not care.”

1) Pepys lived a few centuries before Stalin, and that makes a big difference. News were delivered by horse, there were no news agencies and newspapers were a novelty recently invented and not "daily".
2) "the King of France" or "the King of Denmark" or "the Pope" are titles. The bearer of the title is supposed to fulfill a certain role specific to the title and his name is not that important. If I did not convince you, ask a Catholic and he will tell you that all the Popes are OK!

Robert Gertz   Link to this

Not this Catholic, Ruben. I and many other Catholics actually do judge popes by performance and extent of outrageous or noble behavior. But that's another issue for other websites.

language hat   Link to this

Ruben: Come on. Are you seriously saying that because there were no newspapers, Englishmen had no idea who the King of France was? That's just silly.

Mary   Link to this

Just silly?

Well, only up to a point, Lord Copper. The aristos, gentry, middle and merchant classes would likely have known the name of the man sitting on either throne, but not necessarily folk of the humbler sort.

Michelle Wyllie   Link to this

Robin, according to the calendar in use throughout the 17th century, the New Year did not start until 25 March (Lady Day) although if you look at some of the entries dated 31 December, you should find Sam uses the phrase "so ends the old year" from time to time which I presume means he and a number of others believed the New Year actually started on 1 Janaury.

Australian Susan   Link to this

Knowing who is in charge.

There is a running gag in the popular BBC series, the Vicar of Dibley about the inhabitants of the village still thinking Margaret Thatcher is PM - it would not be funny unless based on truth! of course, this would not apply to sophisticated people in the 17thc who had access to newspapers etc.

language hat   Link to this

"The aristos, gentry, middle and merchant classes would likely have known the name of the man sitting on either throne, but not necessarily folk of the humbler sort."

Yes, and there are still plenty of people, even in "advanced" countries, who don't know or care who world leaders are. I presume we're not talking about them.

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