Saturday 28 November 1663

Up and at the office sat all the morning, and at noon by Mr. Coventry’s coach to the ‘Change, and after a little while there where I met with Mr. Pierce, the chyrurgeon, who tells me for good newes that my Lord Sandwich is resolved to go no more to Chelsy, and told me he believed that I had been giving my Lord some counsel, which I neither denied nor affirmed, but seemed glad with him that he went thither no more, and so I home to dinner, and thence abroad to Paul’s Church Yard, and there looked upon the second part of Hudibras, which I buy not, but borrow to read, to see if it be as good as the first, which the world cry so mightily up, though it hath not a good liking in me, though I had tried by twice or three times reading to bring myself to think it witty. Back again home and to my office, and there late doing business and so home to supper and to bed. I have been told two or three times, but to- day for certain I am told how in Holland publickly they have pictured our King with reproach. One way is with his pockets turned the wrong side outward, hanging out empty; another with two courtiers picking of his pockets; and a third, leading of two ladies, while others abuse him; which amounts to great contempt.

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jeannine   Link to this

"for certain I am told how in Holland publickly they have pictured our King with reproach. One way is with his pockets turned the wrong side outward, hanging out empty; another with two courtiers picking of his pockets; and a third, leading of two ladies, while others abuse him; which amounts to great contempt"
Great contempt for sure, but unfortunately Holland has portrayed a very accurate description of Charles II.

Robert Gertz   Link to this

"...pictured our King with reproach."

Very accurate indeed. But cause for immediate and all-out war of course. Well, it's something...After all the propaganda mills would have a job painting the Dutch in "beastly Hun" colors.

"Here now! The damned Dutchmen 'ave gone and portrayed our beloved King in accurate but unflaterin' terms! Tis time for war, mates!!"

Silence among those passing...

"And it'll mean more trade for us!! And more jobs!!"

Faint interest. Most pass on.

"Creed?" Sam eyes the sighing, would-be drummer of patriotic fervor.

"Pepys."

"What the devil are you doing shouting like that?"

"Oh...Just out and about on orders to test the waters of war enthusiasm."

"And...?"

"At least this bunch isn't asking for copies of the Dutch pictures of the King and praising the artist." Creed shakes head.

Terry F   Link to this

"I neither denied nor affirmed"

An early instance of dealing thus with the press, or its reporters - for Dr. Pearce (Pierce) is sought after "for gossip and good company" (as Pauline gleaned from Tomalin) - so whatever he says to Pearce will soon be abroad.

Todd Bernhardt   Link to this

"which the world cry so mightily up, though it hath not a good liking in me, though I had tried by twice or three times reading to bring myself to think it witty"

Personal taste can be a lonely thing, my friend. I know the feeling -- people cry up various TV shows and bands to me that (after watching or listening, to find out what all the hubbub's about) I *know* are crap -- I just have to keep my thoughts to myself...

Nate   Link to this

"I neither denied nor affirmed"

It would be interesting to know how he sidestepped the question as he almost certainly, IMO, didn't say that he was unable to deny or affirm as that would be a tacit admission.

Terry F   Link to this

"I neither denied nor affirmed"

Suppose he expressed pleasure at Milord's reported plan to change his pattern of conduct?

Michael Robinson   Link to this

second part of Hudibras ... to see if it be as good as the first

Pepy's may be aluding to one, of four, editions of a spurious continuation which appeared in 1663. The "second part. By the authour (sic) of the first," ie Butler, is dated 1664.

Pedro   Link to this

"Holland publickly they have pictured our King with reproach."

Another example of the growing tension between the countries, and that it was not just one sided. Propoganda will no doubt play a major role in bringing about an atmosphere for war.

As with the First Dutch War the English will site the Amboyna Massacre of 1623 to paint the Dutch in a bad light...

The war was supported in England by much propaganda; the cause célèbre was the previous Amboyna Massacre, where in 1623...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amboyna_massacre

Hugh Yeman   Link to this

Today is all about the public gaze and Sam's reaction to it. It's rather telling that, great as Sam's relief is at the news about Sandwich, his desire to play his cards close to the vest with Pierce is just as great. Then we hear of Sam's vain attempts to love the latest bestseller as much as everyone else seems to, and I have to think that its content has something to do with his reaction; given his shifting allegiances a very popular anti-Cromwellian screed must have made him uncomfortable. Then to cap it
off we see Sam take umbrage at the wicked Dutch disrespect for his king.

In a single day we see the public gaze directed at the lord whom he advised, public scorn directed at the Lord Protector he once cheered, and foreign scorn directed at the King he now serves. No wonder that even in his own diary he seems uncomfortable dwelling on that gaze too much!

Clement   Link to this

"I can neither deny nor affirm, that in spite of great risk to my own career I bravely spit out your name first as a primary source of rumour, faster than a baby ejecting mashed turnips."

From Sam's weepy interview with Sandwich on 22 Nov: "...and so did tell him Mr. Pierce, the chyrurgeon..."

So Sam really couldn't take credit with Pierce, becuase the next question inevitably would have been, "What magic words did you say?"

Jesse   Link to this

"with his pockets turned the wrong side outward, hanging out empty"

Not having sartorial knowledge of this time I'm somewhat surprised that people (commonly?) kept money in their pockets. I wonder how far back the image of empty pockets has been used and whether this is one of the earliest?

Bradford   Link to this

Astute, Jesse; Merriam-Webster says "pickpocket" dates back to at least 1591, so there were pockets then to be picked---while a "cutpurse," who severs the little money-bag from your belt, dates from the 14th century.

Nate makes an excellent point as well: consider all those current news items where the subject being questioned neither denies nor affirms a fact---and thus tacitly admits its truth. For if one were confident of roundly denying an accusation, it would be to one's advantage to do so.

Pedro   Link to this

Pickpockets.

History shows that Charlie certainly did not have his pockets picked!

Bradford   Link to this

Lady Castlemaine knew how.

jeannine   Link to this

"History shows that Charlie certainly did not have his pockets picked"
Pedro-nobody would have bothered as Charles never had any money anyway and everyone knew it!

djc   Link to this

Pockets, but perhaps not at this time commonly sewn into garments, but more like a bag or purse tied on.

cumgranosalis   Link to this

Pockets: the Ladies kept their little bags of money next to their skin:

selections from OED:Pickpocket [< PICK- comb. form + POCKET n., after to pick (a person's) pocket (see PICK v.1 11c). Cf. earlier PICKPURSE n.]

A. n. 1. A person who steals from or picks pockets (see PICK v.1 11c). Also fig. and in extended use.

1591 R. GREENE Notable Discouery of Coosenage To Rdr. sig. B2v, The picke-pockets and cut-purses are nothing so daungerous to meete withal, as these Coosening Cunny-catchers.
purse : [OE. and ME. purs, app. ad. late L. bursa purse (whence OF. borse (12th c.), F. bourse, Pr., It. borsa, Sp., Pg. bolsa); the later forms pors, pours, and those with final e, porse, pourse, purse, were evidently influenced by the Fr. word.
The initial p for b is not certainly explained: influence of OE. pusa, posa, ON. posi bag, has been suggested. As to the loss of the final vowel, if the word was taken as a strong feminine, it would naturally have the form purs, in oblique cases purse. L. bursa (byrsa), a. [Gr]..... hide, leather, appears in the grammarians Servius and Donatus c 385, and appears to be confined to glossaries before A.D. 600; it is glossed corium. For history see Körting s.v.]
A. Illustration of Forms.

1, 3-6 purs, 3-4 pors, 4 pours. a1100 3 (in oblique case), 4- purse, (4-6 porse, pourse, 5 porce, 5-7 purce, 6 pursse). 1250 B. Signification. I. A money-bag or -receptacle and its contents.

B. Signification. I. A money-bag or -receptacle and its contents.
1. a. A small pouch or bag of leather or other flexible material, used for carrying money on the person; originally a small bag drawn together at the mouth with a thong or strings, now of various shapes and fastened in various ways. a1100

1546 J. HEYWOOD Prov. (1867) 22 There is nothing in this worlde that agreeth wurs, Then dooeth a Ladies hert and a beggers purs.

1567 Gude & Godlie B. (S.T.S.) 195 Preistis, keip no gold, Siluer nor cunee in eour purs

money
3. A sum of money collected as a present or the like; a sum subscribed as a prize for the winner in a race or other contest. 1650

b. spec. The scrotum. c1440

1602 T. FITZHERBERT Apol. 8 A *pursecatcher vpon the high-way, &..a common horse-stealer.

1611 FLORIO, Vuota~borse, a nicke-name giuen to Lawyers or Phisicians, a *purce-emptier
1624 CAPT. SMITH Virginia Pref. 4 Thrust the beggar out of dores That is not *Purse-lyn'd.
598 SYLVESTER Du Bartas I. iii.

1085 Proud *Purse-Leaches, Harpies of Westminster.

1648 Brit. Bellman in Harl. Misc. VII. 625 So long as you harpyes, you sucking purse~leeches, and your implements be our masters.

Robert Gertz   Link to this

Hoot mann, the Englander dog-king and his family still owe for their room and board while enjoying the safety and hospitality of the Republic.

Pedro   Link to this

Pockets picked.

I was refering, well, more like old Tom the cat...

"If there are any lady cats out there, you have no fear, I have had my pockets picked therefore no little ones to feed."

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Nix   Link to this

"I neither denied nor affirmed" --

Chelsea? Milord? A wench? Really? Why, my dear Pierce, I had no idea. I'm afraid I've been so tied up at the Navy Office I've been completely out of the loop on Court news.

Nix   Link to this

"two courtiers picking of his pockets" --

Much easier when the trousers are draped over the chair.

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