Tuesday 5 November 1667

Up, and all the morning at the office. At noon home to dinner, and thence out with my wife and girle, and left them at her tailor’s, and I to the Treasury, and there did a little business for Tangier, and so took them up again, and home, and when I had done at the office, being post night, I to my chamber, and there did something more, and so to supper and to bed.

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First Reading

Australian Susan  •  Link

This is the second day the girls have been at their unofficial ladies club - Unthankes. Wonder what delights of decolletage will emerge and what Sam will have to say about either the bill or the style of the clothes....

I think it sounds a great way for the Ladies Who Lunch types of the 17th c to pass the time - looking at fancy fabrics, having hot chocolate from pretty cups, gossiping, looking at fashion plates from France, trying on the new dress and so on.

It's Bonfire Night, but no mention from Sam of bonfires in the streets.

Terry Foreman  •  Link

Conway to Ormond
Written from: London
Date: 5 November 1667

As the writer is informed, Sir Richard Temple is to bring in a Bill of Impeachment against the Lord Lieutenant [Ormond]. Though it be a sufficient ground for his Grace to apprehend evil enough, if he should fall into the displeasure of the House of Commons; "yet [so in MS.] there is so much of reality in the second Article [concerning quartering of troops] ... and such unanswerable [so in MS.] evidence in the late petition ... [to the Lord Lieutenant] from the City of Dublin
[ http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… ] ... that it concerns" his Grace to look after the matter. ...

Never saw any man so confident as Lord Clarendon "is of his innocence. ... His grand prosecutor is Lord Berkeley, and he looks upon his informations as the great incendiaries." But, as the writer believes, his Grace will find that "the root lies deeper. ... A Bill of Divorce [this passage is in cypher] is to follow, or [else] a Bill to affirm that the King was married to the Duke of Monmouth's mother." ...

Arlington to Ormond
Written from: Whitehall
Date: 5 November 1667

Describes late proceedings in Parliament, chiefly upon the case of the Earl of Clarendon. ...

Will acquaint the King with the Lord Lieutenant's design for the disposal of Barker's land
[ http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… ], in case it be to be disposed of. Is persuaded his Majesty will not mislike it.


Robert Gertz  •  Link

I picture Unthanke falling all over himself to fawn on his most lucrative customer like Charles Laughton's shoemaker in "Hobson's Choice".

Australian Susan  •  Link

With reference to the Arlington/Ormond correspondence (for which much thanks, TF) - Arlington is pressing for divorce and/or legitimising the D of M because he was obsessed with not having a Catholic monarch and he suspected James even at this time (James not openly Catholic at this time). It is interesting to see these themes (which came to dominate the late 1670s) coming out ten years earlier.

Michael Robinson  •  Link

Perhaps plague, fire and defeat have dampened the spirits, in years prior:

"This 5th of November is observed exceeding well in the City; and at night great bonfires and fireworks"

Thence home; the coach being forced to go round by London Wall home, because of the bonefires;

However was an official celebration and would have thought deserve'd mention by SP a loyal 'company man':-

An Act for a Publick Thanksgiving to Almighty God every Year on the Fifth Day of November. 3 James Cap. 1, (1605)

to be uſed yearly upon the Fifth Day of November;
for the happy Deliverance of King J AME S I,
and the Three Eſtates of E N G L A N D , from the
moſt traiterous and bloody-intended Maſſacre by

(Spoiler * Edition of 1762, includes refs to 'George' rather than 'Charles' and also to 1688)

Australian Susan  •  Link

A relative posted photographs of a municipal fireworks display on FB. This seemed to have a Hallowe'en type theme with "Haunted House" set being burnt down. Not much Perpetual Remembrance of "Gunpowder, Treason and Plot" there. I wonder if this is a trend in the UK as the American Holiday of Hallowe'en takes over the British celebration. Probably not around Lewes, East Sussex! http://www.lewes.gov.uk/news/1847…

The Nov. 5th Thanksgiving service left the Book of CP in 1873, when the calendar was also revised (no more whole chapters of dreary prophets to listen to, but much more digestible chosen chunks, sorry pericopes.) Services for Charles I's "martyrdom" (Jan 30th), and the Restoration of the Royal Family (May 29th) also were excised then. My 1760s B of CP also has a service for thanksgiving for the accession of George III )Oct 25), which presumably was removed on his death (1820), but I do not know if it was replaced with one rejoicing in the accession of George IV. The monarchy was held in very low esteem in the 1820s, so maybe not.

Michael Robinson  •  Link

"The Nov. 5th Thanksgiving service left the Book of CP in 1873"

"On January 17, 1859, Queen Victoria issued an order cancelling the previous order made on her accession to the throne for the continuance of the use of the State Services. The Services were discontinued in consequence of addresses presented to the Crown from both Houses of Parliament; and a Statute was passes repealing the previous Acts of Parliament which enjoined the religious observance of November 5, January 30, and May 20. This Statute was 22. Vict. c.2.

In Queen Victoria's order just referred to, after calling attention to her previous order for the continuance of the State Services made on her access, occur the words-- "And whereas, in the last Session of Parliament, Addresses were presented to Us by both Houses of Parliament, praying Us to take into Our Consideration Our Proclamation in relation to the said Forms of Prayer and Service made for the Fifth Day of November, the Thirtieth Day of January, and the Twenty-ninth Day of May, with a view to their discontinuance.... We have resolved that the Use of the said forms of Prayer and Service shall be discontinued. Now, therefore, Our Will and Pleasure is, that so much of Our said Royal Warrant of the Twenty-first day of June, 1837, in the First Year of Our Reign, be revoked, and that the use of the said Forms of Prayer and Service made for the Fifth Day of November, the Thirtieth Day of January, and the Twenty-ninth Day of May be henceforth discontinued...and that the said Forms of Prayer and Service be not henceforth printed and published with or annexed to the Book of Common Prayer and Liturgy of the United Church of England and Ireland."

language hat  •  Link

"no more whole chapters of dreary prophets to listen to, but much more digestible chosen chunks, sorry pericopes."

Thanks for teaching me a new word! A pericope (/pəˈrɪkəpi/, puh-RICK-uh-pee) is, per the OED, "A section or subsection of a religious text, esp. one appointed for reading in public worship; a lesson" -- in other words, what I'm familiar with from Jewish tradition as a parashah (parshe).

nix  •  Link

I join in the thanks -- though it took three very puzzled readings trying to figure out where "periScopes" fit into Susan's message.

Australian Susan  •  Link

Sorry for snide remark - sometimes I think the divisions and choice of sections of the Bible for the lectionary are arbitrary - they might just as well be random chunks, but, of course, one does not mock the compilers of lectionaries, so i gave the dignified name to show I do take their decisions seriously. Well, most of the time. Thanks, LH for the Jewish version of the name!

My 1762 B of CP has a section at the end which is Prayers for us in the Home - morning and evening versions are given. This reminded me that Sam has not recorded (which does not mean it is not happening I suppose) reading prayers with the family or listening to the maids read from the Bible. Presumably, when he did do the prayers, he may have used this form found in the B of CP.

Second Reading

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

On Guy Fawkes Night ... I suspect people in London have seen enough fire, and they are good for a while. It could bring on PTSD. Plus there must be bonfires burning all the time as homeless people keep warm, and they clean out the damaged buildings. Maybe it would be different if the Pepys' had children?

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

A letter writing day, since it's post night. I'm surprised Pepys hasn't written to either Lord or Lady Sandwich recently; Pepys has heard a rumor Sandwich has been recalled. There's lots of gossip about Clarendon and charges being brought against the Navy Board; not to mention the Prize Goods debacle in which Sandwich is implicated. Pepys did talk to son Hinchingbrooke the other day ... to my mind he's being much too casual with these relationships.

Oh, there's the Sandwich cash flow problem. Perhaps Pepys doesn't know what to say about not contributing to the family appeals.

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

I am also surprised a divorce from Catherine, the legitimization of the Duke of Monmouth, suspicion about James' religious leanings, and the word CABAL are being so widely and openly discussed in 1667.

Gerald Berg  •  Link

Yes SDS the preferred way to not hear from anybody again is to have them owe you money. Works mostly, I can attest. The reverse? Never.

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