Monday 21 April 1662

This morning I attempted to persuade my wife in bed to go to Brampton this week, but she would not, which troubles me, and seeing that I could keep it no longer from her, I told her that I was resolved to go to Portsmouth to-morrow. Sir W. Batten goes to Chatham to-day, and will be back again to come for Portsmouth after us on Thursday next.

I went to Westminster and several places about business. Then at noon dined with my Lord Crew; and after dinner went up to Sir Thos. Crew’s chamber, who is still ill. He tells me how my Lady Duchess of Richmond and Castlemaine had a falling out the other day; and she calls the latter Jane Shore, and did hope to see her come to the same end that she did.

Coming down again to my Lord, he told me that news was come that the Queen is landed; at which I took leave, and by coach hurried to White Hall, the bells ringing in several places; but I found there no such matter, nor anything like it. So I went by appointment to Anthony Joyce’s, where I sat with his wife and Mall Joyce an hour or two, and so her husband not being at home, away I went and in Cheapside spied him and took him into the coach. Home, and there I found my Lady Jemimah, and Anne, and Madamoiselle come to see my wife, whom I left, and to talk with Joyce about a project I have of his and my joyning, to get some money for my brother Tom and his kinswoman to help forward with her portion if they should marry. I mean in buying of tallow of him at a low rate for the King, and Tom should have the profit; but he tells me the profit will be considerable, at which I was troubled, but I have agreed with him to serve some in my absence.

He went away, and then came Mr. Moore and sat late with me talking about business, and so went away and I to bed.

19 Annotations

Australian Susan  •  Link

Sam is careful to spend the entire day away from the house, having made his announcement about Portsmouth! But he doesn't seem to be making any arrangements about the trip for him or Elizabeth. Curious?

Hugh  •  Link

Can someone please clarify why he was reluctant to let his wife to learn of the trip? Is the Queens arrival secret? Is it just a boys week away?

Cumgranissalis  •  Link

One reason could be that it was a good Opportunity to cosy up to the Power structure, and be noticed, another there maybe no other scheduled females on the coach. The third, it be spring and the Birds and the Flora be in full bloom.

A. Hamilton  •  Link

I mean in buying of tallow of him at a low rate for the King, and Tom should have the profit; but he tells me the profit will be considerable, at which I was troubled, but I have agreed with him to serve some in my absence.

Anyone able to elucidate? Seems to me that
Sam is proposing to place a Navy order for tallow with the detestable Joyce at a price he considers low in relation to other offers, provided cousin Joyce gives the profits to his kinswoman as her dowry for marrying Sam's brother. Then Sam is troubled to learn that the profit is large even at the low rate he proposes. Then he agrees with Joyce "to serve some in my absence." Here the meaning gets away from me. Could it be to issue a request for tallow before he goes to Portsmouth? Any other suggestions? In any event, this is self-dealing of the first order, albeit done to help Tom and his prospective bride, not Sam or Anthony Joyce.

Australian Susan  •  Link

The reference to Jane Shore is intersting: one wonders quite what the D of R was getting at. It was obviously meant to be an insult, yet the popular memory of JS was rather more in favour of her than otherwise. She was, however, accused of witchcraft. Maybe this is how the D of R is trying to get at her rival: witchcraft was still held to be a heinous act, which led to death.Mud sticks. Maybe the D of R hoped to fling enough to damage My Lady Castlemaine's character.

Australian Susan  •  Link

Jane Shore, by the way, died in poverty.
With the tallow deal: I concluded that Sam was anxious he might get into trouble if the 'take' on the deal was seen to be *too* large - it seems to be all right by the norms of the time to make some tidy sum for one's own pocket, but making a really hefty amount could lead to investigation and trouble. Anyone else have other ideas?

JWB  •  Link

"...but he tells me the profit will be considerable,"
I think we've lost a "not" between will and be.

Paul Chapin  •  Link

the profit will not be considerable?
I disagree with JWB's interpretation, on grounds of diction. I don't think that's a phrase Sam would use. Sam's style in the negative would be to say something like "the profit will not be much." But Mary or someone else with L&M can quickly set us straight on the correct text.

David Ross McIrvine  •  Link

"Jane Shore, by the way, died in poverty."

Plausible, also, that Her Grace meant simply that she hoped Lady Castlemaine would have to do public penance and take the blame, as Jane did.

Mary  •  Link

"the profit will/will not be considerable.

Sorry,Paul, the L&M edition reads, "will not be considerable", which makes good sense. There is no editorial note to the effect that the "not" has been supplied by the editor, so we must assume that it appeared in the original manuscript and was omitted in this earlier edition.

Mary  •  Link

"to serve some in in my absence"

Sam is instructing Joyce to supply (serve in) a quantity of tallow whilst he is away on the Portsmouth business trip. This will presumably be at the normal market rate as far as Navy accounts are concerned. Sam and Joyce will then 'adjust' the difference between market rate and Old Pal's Act rate between themselves, the allegedly inconsiderable profit to go to brother Tom. There doesn't seem to be very much to recommend the arrangement as a whole to Joyce. Perhaps it means that he will gain a previously closed business opportunity as a future supplier to the Navy. I don't think that we have seen anything hitherto that would indicate that he is so keen for his sister to marry Tom that he is prepared to lose business profit in the interest of furthering the match.

Britney Spears  •  Link

Jane Shore

I think he just means that she'll fall out of favor and be publicly disgraced.

BradW  •  Link

On Jane Shore
I agree that wishing Jane's fate on Lady Castlemain was meant as a curse. I think JS's story is all the more poignant for her being almost universally admired as a younger woman as clever, pleasant, and a positive help to those around her; yet once out of favor, she was a paraiah and died in poverty. A cruel end to wish on anyone.

Seems to me the stifled hopes and ambitions of even priviledged women in Sam's time led such ladies to follow the fates of successful courtesans with envy and spite, and to revel in their downfall for decades and (in this case) centuries. Being good seemingly won women so little, and being bad could sometimes make them influential and famous. I hope times have changed.

Rex Gordon  •  Link

More on Shore ...

Popular legend had it that not only did she die in poverty, but her corpse was cast on a dunghill. (The Dowager Duchess' insult was meant to sting.) According to L&M, Sam had a biography of Jane Shore in his library; I believe it's still at Cambridge.

David A. Smith  •  Link

"seeing that I could keep it no longer from her"
I suggested a couple of days ago that meeting the Queen is an honor, Sam knows Elizabeth can't go (but would wish to), was hoping to be able not to have to rub her nose in the distinction ... and now can't.

Nix  •  Link

The merriest harlot in the realm --

The recent Oxford Dictionary of National Biography has a wonderful profile of Jane (whose actual name was Elizabeth):

"The main source for her relationship with Edward IV is Thomas More, who is responsible (in his History of Richard III) for the story that Edward claimed to have three concubines: the merriest, the wiliest, and the holiest harlot in his realm.

A. De Araujo  •  Link

"Duchess of Richmond"
I googled it and it seems that she was the descendent of a Villiers who was a "favourite" of James I,so she was probably related to Lady Castlemaine's husband.Sexual Politics aint new you know!

Robert Gertz  •  Link

"Naught to do with Mistress Shore?!" Shakespeare's Dick III's line just before he settles accounts with the hapless Hastings, like Edward IV a 'friend' of Ms. Shore. Interesting that she remained such an object of fascination despite having a less glamourous (and recent) career than say, Anne Boleyn.

Chris Squire UK  •  Link

’. . [Jane] Shore . . was the merriest; in More's words:

‘a proper wit had she, & could both rede wel & write, mery in company, redy & quick of aunswer, neither mute nor ful of bable, sometime taunting without displesure & not without disport . . For many he had, but her he loved, whose favour to saithe trouth … she never abused to any mans hurt, but to many a mans comfort. … And finally in many weighty sutes, she stode many men in gret stede, either for none, or very smal rewardes, & those rather gay then rich: either for that she was content with the dede selfe well done, or for that she delited to be suid unto, & to show what she was able to do wyth the king … ’‘


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