Sunday 11 August 1661

(Lord’s day). To our own church in the forenoon, and in the afternoon to Clerkenwell Church, only to see the two fayre Botelers; and I happened to be placed in the pew where they afterwards came to sit, but the pew by their coming being too full, I went out into the next, and there sat, and had my full view of them both, but I am out of conceit now with them, Colonel Dillon being come back from Ireland again, and do still court them, and comes to church with them, which makes me think they are not honest. Hence to Graye’s-Inn walks, and there staid a good while; where I met with Ned Pickering, who told me what a great match of hunting of a stagg the King had yesterday; and how the King tired all their horses, and come home with not above two or three able to keep pace with him. So to my father’s, and there supped, and so home.


11 Aug 2004, 11:21 p.m. - A. De Araujo

"I am out of conceit now with them" conceit in this case meaning - to take a fancy to- British use only apparently.

12 Aug 2004, 1:34 a.m. - Louis

Unless there's a play called "The Two Fayre Botelers," it would seem that a footnote pertaining to yesterday's entry and "The merry Devill of Edmunton" has migrated here by mistake.

12 Aug 2004, 2:04 a.m. - dirk

Rev Josselin's diary for today: "God good to us in manifold mercies, yet my little Betty . waywardly ill, the lord revive her, that she may live in his sight. god good in the Sabbath. yet I find a dead heart in myself and much deadness in persons"

12 Aug 2004, 4:30 a.m. - vicente

"only to see the two fayre Botelers" Boteler, another name for Butlers; just being upscale;[school boy way or a put down for one whom the nose is tilted to the stars] in noting the play of words, against a play that is no longer available for our scrutiny, the Butlers were oft called botelier[put down?] Dict: for Butler now ME Boteler, OFr Bouteillier [cupbearer]. . Sam now longer entranced by the beauty. strange, he moved for a better view not enough to get a whiff of perfume, or he did not want to be fluffed off. Honest? just teasers? conceit: meaning having the temerity of thinking that a pretty girl[one of the landed ones dah a lady] would give a glance or time of day to likes of the speaker.

12 Aug 2004, 6:18 a.m. - Mary

Colonel Dillon and the Botelers Pepys's comments make it sound as if Dillon may have something of a poor reputation where women are concerned and the Butler sisters are therefore harming their own reputations by being seen with him. These Butler (Boteler) girls were sisters of Mons. L'Impertinent

12 Aug 2004, 7:47 a.m. - Stuart Mitchell

RE: "I am out of conceit now with them" More specifically than “to take a fancy to”, conceit here means “good opinion” as found in the following OED reference: 4 Personal opinion, judgement, or estimation, usually `in a neutral sense’ (J.), as in my conceit, in my opinion or conception of the case. Obs. b of oneself, one’s own opinions, etc., with qualifying adjs. bad, good, etc. Obs. See also SELF-CONCEIT, orig. `self-conceived opinion’. (Cf. 5 b.) c in one’s own conceit: in one’s own private opinion, estimation, or judgement: now coloured by sense 6. 5 Favourable opinion, esteem; = good conceit in 4. Now dial. exc. in out of conceit with, dissatisfied with, no longer pleased with.

12 Aug 2004, 10:01 a.m. - Peter

Even now we could say that it's a bit conceited of Sam to think that he stands any chance with the two fair Butlers.

12 Aug 2004, 1:39 p.m. - Rex Gordon

"the King tired all their horses ..." For Charles II's interest in hunting and prowess at riding (he had been well-taught by the Marquess of Newcastle), L&M refer readers to "Sabretache" (A.S. Barrow), "Monarchy and the Chase", pp 87-96. The King, L&M report, won several horseraces at Newmarket. "only to see the fair Botelers ..." This brings to my mind many a youthful Sunday morning I spent in St. Patrick's Church, Havre de Grace, Maryland USA, pining for the beautiful Catana Carcirieri in the next pew, wondering how to get her to notice me. Centuries pass and fashions and technology change, but human nature remains the same.

15 Aug 2004, 8:19 p.m. - A. Hamilton

"Unless there's a play called "The Two Fayre Botelers," it would seem that a footnote pertaining to yesterday's entry and "The merry Devill of Edmunton" has migrated here by mistake.” It would appear that Louis’s conjecture is correct. A Google search turns up the following citation. “The merry devil of Edmonton,” 1608 - By: Thomas Dekker; William Amos Abrams; Anthony Brewer; T. B. - Publisher: Durham, N.C., Duke University Press, 1942.

10 Jul 2014, 6:40 p.m. - Bill

"but I am out of conceit now with them" CONCEIT, Imagination, Fancy, Opinion. To CONCEIT, to imagine, to fancy. ---An Universal Etymological English Dictionary. N. Bailey, 1675.

12 Aug 2014, 10:56 a.m. - Sasha Clarkson

Sam, at least for now, has lost interest in the Butler sisters, but later he goes to Gray's Inn Walks: THE place to see and be seen!

12 Aug 2014, 11:03 a.m. - Bill

"I am out of conceit now with them" To be out of conceit with, n'aimer (ne se soucier) plus, être degouté de To be out of conceit with himself, se deplaire To put out of conceit with, degouter de ---A short dictionary English and French. G. Miège, 1684. dégoûter - to disgust

12 Aug 2014, 1:20 p.m. - john

"the King tired all their horses ..." Whilst Charles probably rode three-point (or even two-point), I imagine many of the party leaning back, slapping their horses' backs on every stride. That sort of pounding will tire out a horse very quickly.

12 Aug 2014, 2:15 p.m. - Bill

"with not above two or three able to keep pace with him" It's hard to imagine anyone even thinking about outpacing Charles...

26 Sep 2017, 2:20 a.m. - Terry Foreman

"the King tired all their horses ..." L&M suggest for Charles II's interest in hunting and his prowess at riding (he had been well taught by the Marquess of Newcastle) , we see 'Sabretache' (A.S. Barrow), Monarchy and the chase, pp. 87-96. He won several horeseraces at Newmarket.

19 Feb 2021, 12:10 a.m. - Terry Foreman

"I met with Ned Pickering, who told me what a great match of hunting of a stagg the King had yesterday; and how the King tired all their horses, and come home with not above two or three able to keep pace with him." L&M: For Charles II's interest in hunting and his prowess in riding (he had been well taught by the Marquess of Newcastle), see 'Sabretache' (A. S. Barrow), Monarchy and the chase, pp. 87-96. He won several horse-races at Newmarket.