I was so confused by the Yeabsley business I read all the Diary entries about him in order. This entry seems to refer to some Tangier supply ships that had sunk. This reference is to those ships, not the fleet currently in the Thames. As to whose credit this reverts to, I don't know. Perhaps insurance was involved? Too many unknowns here to answer your question.
I was confused as to what to make of Mr. Yeabsley. From 1664 - 1668 he and various friends were victualers to Tangier. Pepys does not give us enough information about the many shipments that must have been made to follow the details.
Next thing to remember is that Pepys did not have a high opinion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir Anthony Ashley-Cooper, Lord Ashley. In my opinion, Pepys was right about that: Ashley started the Civil War as a wealthy young Royalist; after a year switched to Parliament because he didn't think King Charles would win; got himself onto the Commission which went to The Hague to invite Charles II, King of the Scots to return to England, and was given plum appointments ending up as the Earl of Shaftsbury in the CABAL administration and founder of the Whigs (anti-monarchists political party). A true opportunist if ever there was one.
In order to get paid, Yeabsley came to London a number of times to facilitate events. On his first visit he offered Pepys 300l. per annum to grease the wheels. A couple of days later Yeabsley mentions to Pepys that he's bribed Ashley for 100l., and sure enough Pepys sees Yeabsley is given more consideration by Ashley.
By 1667 Pepys notes that he hasn't been paid by Yeabsley in a while.
And by 1668 Pepys says Yeabsley has cheated the King and deserves whatever's coming, and never mentions him again.
Along the way there's mention of ships being lost, and billing discrepancies. It takes years to sort things out (second Dutch war, plague, fire, Commissioners out of town so no quorum to sign payment authorizations, Creed as Treasurer of the Tangier Committee is another knave, but Pepys doesn't always specify why). You had to be independently wealthy to do business with the Navy in those days.
So if you find yourself confused by the Yeabsley stories, you have company. Maybe he bribed Lord Ashley, and maybe he didn't. I do think he did something to gain Ashley's respect and attention. Ashley didn't need the money. So a favor? Blackmail? Who knows.
I find it hard to guess what Pepys is recalling. He didn't place himself to see the troop movements (dangerous? possible riots? those apprentices drinking too much? Royalist conspirators?), but heard about them and reported what happened. On February 9, 1659/60 he was woken by the sound of the Parliamentary troops saddling up to leave London so Monck's troops could come in unopposed.
"Seems the loss of the ships somehow would have rebounded to Yeasbly's (and therefore Sam's, Petersborough's, Ashley's, etc, etc) credit)? Meaning Yeasbly could have claimed the loss of the supplies on board? Or, would have been the favored choice to resupply?"
I believe this is a stalled meeting of the Tangier Committee, and they are trying to get supplies to North Africa, not to the fleet (a different nightmare for Pepys which does not include the troublesome Lord Ashley so far as I know).
The fleet has been in the mouth of the Thames for the last month; Yeasbly comes either from Portsmouth or Plymouth, according to which L&M annotation you believe. It wouldn't be economical to supply the fleet from either of those ports.
Let us not forget what Pepys said about Chancellor of the Exchequer Anthony Ashley-Cooper, the Lord Ashley MP: “Lord Ashly will rob the Devil and the Alter, but he will get money if it be to be got.” – Diary, September 9, 1665
Fund raising is the function of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. I have not seen any reports that it was to further enrich the already wealthy Lord Ashley. But Pepys appears to have thought it was for personal enrichment, as you'll see in the future.
"In 1520, the Kingdom of Bohemia began minting coins using silver from a mine in Joachimsthal – which roughly translates from German into English as Joachim’s valley. Logically if unimaginatively, the coin was dubbed the joachimsthaler, which was then shortened to thaler, the word that proceeded to spread around the world.
"It was the Dutch variation, the daler, that made its way across the Atlantic in the pockets and on the tongues of early immigrants, and today’s American-English pronunciation of the word dollar retains its echoes."
"The British pound sign has a history going back 1,200 years, when it was first used by the Romans as an abbreviation for ‘libra pondo’, the empire’s basic unit of weight. As any amateur astrologer will tell you, libra means scales in Latin, and libra pondo literally translates as ‘a pound by weight’.
"In Anglo-Saxon England, the pound became a unit of currency, equivalent to – surprise, surprise – a pound of silver. Vast riches, in other words. But along with the Roman name, the Anglo-Saxons borrowed the sign, an ornate letter ‘L’.
"The crossbar came along later, indicating that it’s an abbreviation, and a [document] in London’s Bank of England Museum shows that the pound sign had assumed its current form by 1661, even if it took a little longer for it to become universally adopted."
If word got around, people might break into his house and carry away the silver. There are no banks, and parking the money safely was always a problem. I think his colleagues know he's doing well (they would lose respect if he were not). It's probably the servants and their 'friends' he's more worried about.
Louise -- you are forgetting weekends, vacation time, sick time, and there are quite a few days Pepys has breakfast (presumably a small beer) around 6 a.m. and doesn't eat again until late afternoon.
Mind you, I'm old school ... the current generation with their lives run by cell phones, work more hours than Sam, from their homes, and forget the modern "benefits" I mention above. I hope they don't burn out young.
And they do it without a house full of servants, as you say. It took Elizabeth and about three people to do the monthly wash, which lasted two days. Now we throw in the wash between conference calls. Take out services seems to be about the same, though.
'John, son of John Daniel. Mrs Daniel was the daughter of Pepys's Greenwich landlady, Mrs Clerke.'
There are 8 links saying that Samuel Daniel is married to Mrs. Daniel.
John Daniel is mentioned once, on June 4, 1666 and may well have been related to Samuel Daniel, but nowhere is that stated in the Diary that I have found.
Prince Rupert’s Mill. Prince Rupert’s metal secret died with him – it was a composition from which indestructible cannons were cast and bored.
Temple Mills. Once belonging to the Knights Templars, these mills were used for grinding points on pins and needles, sent on to Worcestershire to receive eyes.
Beresford’s White House. Occasional home to highwayman Dick Turpin, attached to the house was a fishery, offering sport for a shilling.
Roman Burial Ground. Discovered under Hackney Marsh, part of the Roman stone causeway to Essex, and a marble sarcophagus at Brooksby’s Walk.
Lord Zouch’s House. A peer judge to Mary Queen of Scots, Edward, Lord Zouch conducted experimental gardening.
Sutton House. Known as “Bryck House,” was built for Henry VIII’s courtier Ralph Sadleir, who sold it to cloth merchant John Machell.
The Black & White House. Home of Robert Vyner, drinking pal of Charles II, AKA “Bohemia Place” from being the residence of the Queen of Bohemia.
Barber’s Barn. Home of the low-born John Okey, sixth signatory of Charles I’s death warrant.
St. John’s Place/Beaulieu. Said to have been the priory of St. John, it later acquired the name “Shoreditch Place” for Jane Shore, mistress to Edward IV.
Brook House. Given by Edward VI to the Earl of Pembroke, the house passed to the Earl of Warwick then to Dr. Monro as a ‘recepiticle for insane persons.’
Shacklewell House. The ancient seat of the Herons, and residence of Cecilia, Thomas More’s daughter, later home of regicide Owen Rowe.
Abney House. Built for Thomas Gunstone to hymn writer & divine Isaac Watts’ plans.
Brownswood House. The Hornsey Wood Tavern incorporates old Copthall and the Manor House of Brownswood.
Newington Green Manor. A home to dissenters in the 17th century.
Palatine House. Built to house Protestant refugees from the Rhine Palatinate, later used as a retreat by John Wesley.
Whitmore House. A moated house adapted by London haberdasher Sir William Whitmore for his son Sir George.
Baumes House. Built by two Spanish merchants in 1540, it became known as Sir George Whitmore’s house and in 1691 hosted King William.
Alderman John Brown’s House. Home of the serjeant, painter to Henry VIII.
Nag’s Head. A coaching inn and haunt of robber Dick Turpin.
The Theatre. Home of Shakespeare & Burbage’s Lord Chamberlain’s New Acting Troupe. The timber was dismantled and used to construct the Globe.
Holywell Mount. Near the priory of St. John the Baptist, plague burials are said to take place here.
The Rectory, Hackney. Site of the Manor of Grumbolds and home of John & Jane Daniel, accused of blackmailing the Countess of Essex.
Geffrye Almshouses. Paid for by Sir Robert Geffrye in his will of 1703 which declared his remaining fortune to the Ironmongers’ Company for provision of almshouses.
"Thence home, where I find Mr. Lovett and his wife came to see us. They are a pretty couple, and she a fine bred woman. They dined with us, and Browne, the paynter, and she plays finely on the lute. My wife and I were well pleased with her company."
I wonder if Pepys is making a class statement by not giving us Mr. and Mrs. Lovett's first names, no matter how finely she plays the lute.
"... and then by agreement to the Excise Office, where I waited all the morning for the Cofferer and Sir St. Foxe’s coming, but they did not, so I and the Commissioners lost their labor and expectation of doing the business we intended."
I'm surprised Pepys and the other Commissioners were not more upset at this disrespect by Fox and Ashburnham. The fleet is about to sail, and financing the victualing is key to their success. Fox and Ashburnham have boys they could send with notes explaining their absence, which I think Pepys would have mentioned had that happened.
But it does give Tom Wilson more time to work on those victualing accounts for Coventry, and an excuse for not being further along in the process should an excuse be needed.
What a curious day ... lunch with the relatives so they can hear the latest gossip from Mr. Shepley re: Sandwich, Brampton and Hinchingbrooke, then he gets out of the house to visit his main mistress, her husband, and a desired woman who must be their friend, for no particular reason, for a couple of hours, then he goes around to his old local for no particular reason. Then home and he takes the wife for an airing down the Thames.
If this was 1660 I'd think he was out gathering intelligence on the temper of the people to report to Sandwich ... but now? Perhaps he was simply tired of acting the toff, and took off his proverbial hat by talking to 'real people' for an afternoon.
Lucky Prince Charles, as he left England for exile in Jersey and France, followed by wandering all over the place, this is where he stayed. I hope he remembered fondly his stay in the Isles of Scilly. Scroll down for a picture of the two castles there ... one was built by Cromwell after Charles had left.
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About Saturday 9 June 1666
San Diego Sarah • Link
I was so confused by the Yeabsley business I read all the Diary entries about him in order. This entry seems to refer to some Tangier supply ships that had sunk. This reference is to those ships, not the fleet currently in the Thames. As to whose credit this reverts to, I don't know. Perhaps insurance was involved? Too many unknowns here to answer your question.
About Thomas Yeabsley
San Diego Sarah • Link
I was confused as to what to make of Mr. Yeabsley. From 1664 - 1668 he and various friends were victualers to Tangier. Pepys does not give us enough information about the many shipments that must have been made to follow the details.
Next thing to remember is that Pepys did not have a high opinion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir Anthony Ashley-Cooper, Lord Ashley. In my opinion, Pepys was right about that: Ashley started the Civil War as a wealthy young Royalist; after a year switched to Parliament because he didn't think King Charles would win; got himself onto the Commission which went to The Hague to invite Charles II, King of the Scots to return to England, and was given plum appointments ending up as the Earl of Shaftsbury in the CABAL administration and founder of the Whigs (anti-monarchists political party). A true opportunist if ever there was one.
In order to get paid, Yeabsley came to London a number of times to facilitate events. On his first visit he offered Pepys 300l. per annum to grease the wheels. A couple of days later Yeabsley mentions to Pepys that he's bribed Ashley for 100l., and sure enough Pepys sees Yeabsley is given more consideration by Ashley.
By 1667 Pepys notes that he hasn't been paid by Yeabsley in a while.
And by 1668 Pepys says Yeabsley has cheated the King and deserves whatever's coming, and never mentions him again.
Along the way there's mention of ships being lost, and billing discrepancies. It takes years to sort things out (second Dutch war, plague, fire, Commissioners out of town so no quorum to sign payment authorizations, Creed as Treasurer of the Tangier Committee is another knave, but Pepys doesn't always specify why). You had to be independently wealthy to do business with the Navy in those days.
So if you find yourself confused by the Yeabsley stories, you have company. Maybe he bribed Lord Ashley, and maybe he didn't. I do think he did something to gain Ashley's respect and attention. Ashley didn't need the money. So a favor? Blackmail? Who knows.
About Tuesday 29 May 1666
San Diego Sarah • Link
"What exactly is Pepys referring to here? ..."
I find it hard to guess what Pepys is recalling. He didn't place himself to see the troop movements (dangerous? possible riots? those apprentices drinking too much? Royalist conspirators?), but heard about them and reported what happened. On February 9, 1659/60 he was woken by the sound of the Parliamentary troops saddling up to leave London so Monck's troops could come in unopposed.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Saturday 9 June 1666
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Seems the loss of the ships somehow would have rebounded to Yeasbly's (and therefore Sam's, Petersborough's, Ashley's, etc, etc) credit)? Meaning Yeasbly could have claimed the loss of the supplies on board? Or, would have been the favored choice to resupply?"
I believe this is a stalled meeting of the Tangier Committee, and they are trying to get supplies to North Africa, not to the fleet (a different nightmare for Pepys which does not include the troublesome Lord Ashley so far as I know).
The fleet has been in the mouth of the Thames for the last month; Yeasbly comes either from Portsmouth or Plymouth, according to which L&M annotation you believe. It wouldn't be economical to supply the fleet from either of those ports.
About Sunday 20 May 1666
San Diego Sarah • Link
Let us not forget what Pepys said about Chancellor of the Exchequer Anthony Ashley-Cooper, the Lord Ashley MP:
“Lord Ashly will rob the Devil and the Alter, but he will get money if it be to be got.” – Diary, September 9, 1665
Fund raising is the function of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. I have not seen any reports that it was to further enrich the already wealthy Lord Ashley. But Pepys appears to have thought it was for personal enrichment, as you'll see in the future.
About Thomas Yeabsley
San Diego Sarah • Link
According to L&M Yeabsly is based at Portsmouth (Hampshire) and Lanyon at Plymouth (Devon).
About Sunday 20 May 1666
San Diego Sarah • Link
Thanks for the clarifications, Terry. Another case of "we will never know for sure."
About Guilder
San Diego Sarah • Link
Talking about Dutch money ...
"In 1520, the Kingdom of Bohemia began minting coins using silver from a mine in Joachimsthal – which roughly translates from German into English as Joachim’s valley. Logically if unimaginatively, the coin was dubbed the joachimsthaler, which was then shortened to thaler, the word that proceeded to spread around the world.
"It was the Dutch variation, the daler, that made its way across the Atlantic in the pockets and on the tongues of early immigrants, and today’s American-English pronunciation of the word dollar retains its echoes."
http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/…
About Currency units
San Diego Sarah • Link
"The British pound sign has a history going back 1,200 years, when it was first used by the Romans as an abbreviation for ‘libra pondo’, the empire’s basic unit of weight. As any amateur astrologer will tell you, libra means scales in Latin, and libra pondo literally translates as ‘a pound by weight’.
"In Anglo-Saxon England, the pound became a unit of currency, equivalent to – surprise, surprise – a pound of silver. Vast riches, in other words. But along with the Roman name, the Anglo-Saxons borrowed the sign, an ornate letter ‘L’.
"The crossbar came along later, indicating that it’s an abbreviation, and a [document] in London’s Bank of England Museum shows that the pound sign had assumed its current form by 1661, even if it took a little longer for it to become universally adopted."
www.bbc.com/capital/story/2019052…
About Sunday 27 May 1666
San Diego Sarah • Link
If word got around, people might break into his house and carry away the silver. There are no banks, and parking the money safely was always a problem. I think his colleagues know he's doing well (they would lose respect if he were not). It's probably the servants and their 'friends' he's more worried about.
About Monday 28 May 1666
San Diego Sarah • Link
Louise -- you are forgetting weekends, vacation time, sick time, and there are quite a few days Pepys has breakfast (presumably a small beer) around 6 a.m. and doesn't eat again until late afternoon.
Mind you, I'm old school ... the current generation with their lives run by cell phones, work more hours than Sam, from their homes, and forget the modern "benefits" I mention above. I hope they don't burn out young.
And they do it without a house full of servants, as you say. It took Elizabeth and about three people to do the monthly wash, which lasted two days. Now we throw in the wash between conference calls. Take out services seems to be about the same, though.
I miss the water cooler conversations.
About Sunday 20 May 1666
San Diego Sarah • Link
'"Mrs. Daniel’s child"
'John, son of John Daniel. Mrs Daniel was the daughter of Pepys's Greenwich landlady, Mrs Clerke.'
There are 8 links saying that Samuel Daniel is married to Mrs. Daniel.
John Daniel is mentioned once, on June 4, 1666 and may well have been related to Samuel Daniel, but nowhere is that stated in the Diary that I have found.
About Mrs Daniel
San Diego Sarah • Link
On further exploration, I find there is a John Daniel, a Lt. from the Royal Charles, mentioned on June 4, 1666, the only time in the Diary.
However, there re 8 links saying Samuel Daniel is the Lt. married to Mrs. Daniel. So I think Terry is mistaken.
About Mrs Daniel
San Diego Sarah • Link
On May 20, 1666 "After dinner my wife and Mercer by coach to Greenwich, to be gossip to Mrs. Daniel’s child."
A gossip is an old-fashioned word for godmother.
Terry Foreman gives an annotation that the boy's name is John, and Lt. Daniel's name is also John, but gives no citation.
About Hackney
San Diego Sarah • Link
Adam Dant's "Hackney Treasure Map" shows:
Prince Rupert’s Mill. Prince Rupert’s metal secret died with him – it was a composition from which indestructible cannons were cast and bored.
Temple Mills. Once belonging to the Knights Templars, these mills were used for grinding points on pins and needles, sent on to Worcestershire to receive eyes.
Beresford’s White House. Occasional home to highwayman Dick Turpin, attached to the house was a fishery, offering sport for a shilling.
Roman Burial Ground. Discovered under Hackney Marsh, part of the Roman stone causeway to Essex, and a marble sarcophagus at Brooksby’s Walk.
Lord Zouch’s House. A peer judge to Mary Queen of Scots, Edward, Lord Zouch conducted experimental gardening.
Sutton House. Known as “Bryck House,” was built for Henry VIII’s courtier Ralph Sadleir, who sold it to cloth merchant John Machell.
The Black & White House. Home of Robert Vyner, drinking pal of Charles II, AKA “Bohemia Place” from being the residence of the Queen of Bohemia.
Barber’s Barn. Home of the low-born John Okey, sixth signatory of Charles I’s death warrant.
St. John’s Place/Beaulieu. Said to have been the priory of St. John, it later acquired the name “Shoreditch Place” for Jane Shore, mistress to Edward IV.
Brook House. Given by Edward VI to the Earl of Pembroke, the house passed to the Earl of Warwick then to Dr. Monro as a ‘recepiticle for insane persons.’
Shacklewell House. The ancient seat of the Herons, and residence of Cecilia, Thomas More’s daughter, later home of regicide Owen Rowe.
Abney House. Built for Thomas Gunstone to hymn writer & divine Isaac Watts’ plans.
Brownswood House. The Hornsey Wood Tavern incorporates old Copthall and the Manor House of Brownswood.
Newington Green Manor. A home to dissenters in the 17th century.
Palatine House. Built to house Protestant refugees from the Rhine Palatinate, later used as a retreat by John Wesley.
Whitmore House. A moated house adapted by London haberdasher Sir William Whitmore for his son Sir George.
Baumes House. Built by two Spanish merchants in 1540, it became known as Sir George Whitmore’s house and in 1691 hosted King William.
Alderman John Brown’s House. Home of the serjeant, painter to Henry VIII.
Nag’s Head. A coaching inn and haunt of robber Dick Turpin.
The Theatre. Home of Shakespeare & Burbage’s Lord Chamberlain’s New Acting Troupe. The timber was dismantled and used to construct the Globe.
Holywell Mount. Near the priory of St. John the Baptist, plague burials are said to take place here.
The Rectory, Hackney. Site of the Manor of Grumbolds and home of John & Jane Daniel, accused of blackmailing the Countess of Essex.
Geffrye Almshouses. Paid for by Sir Robert Geffrye in his will of 1703 which declared his remaining fortune to the Ironmongers’ Company for provision of almshouses.
About Mrs Lovett
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Thence home, where I find Mr. Lovett and his wife came to see us. They are a pretty couple, and she a fine bred woman. They dined with us, and Browne, the paynter, and she plays finely on the lute. My wife and I were well pleased with her company."
I wonder if Pepys is making a class statement by not giving us Mr. and Mrs. Lovett's first names, no matter how finely she plays the lute.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Monday 28 May 1666
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... and then by agreement to the Excise Office, where I waited all the morning for the Cofferer and Sir St. Foxe’s coming, but they did not, so I and the Commissioners lost their labor and expectation of doing the business we intended."
I'm surprised Pepys and the other Commissioners were not more upset at this disrespect by Fox and Ashburnham. The fleet is about to sail, and financing the victualing is key to their success. Fox and Ashburnham have boys they could send with notes explaining their absence, which I think Pepys would have mentioned had that happened.
But it does give Tom Wilson more time to work on those victualing accounts for Coventry, and an excuse for not being further along in the process should an excuse be needed.
About Sunday 27 May 1666
San Diego Sarah • Link
What a curious day ... lunch with the relatives so they can hear the latest gossip from Mr. Shepley re: Sandwich, Brampton and Hinchingbrooke, then he gets out of the house to visit his main mistress, her husband, and a desired woman who must be their friend, for no particular reason, for a couple of hours, then he goes around to his old local for no particular reason. Then home and he takes the wife for an airing down the Thames.
If this was 1660 I'd think he was out gathering intelligence on the temper of the people to report to Sandwich ... but now? Perhaps he was simply tired of acting the toff, and took off his proverbial hat by talking to 'real people' for an afternoon.
About Elizabeth Burrows
San Diego Sarah • Link
A curious tea party took place one Sunday in May, 1666:
"After dinner ... I by water to Westminster to Mrs. Martin’s, and there sat with her and her husband and Mrs. Burrows, the pretty, an hour or two,"
So the Elizabeths knew each other, and Mr. Burrows knew Pepys, and they all sat around for an hour or two discussing ... the weather?
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Scilly, Isles of
San Diego Sarah • Link
Lucky Prince Charles, as he left England for exile in Jersey and France, followed by wandering all over the place, this is where he stayed. I hope he remembered fondly his stay in the Isles of Scilly. Scroll down for a picture of the two castles there ... one was built by Cromwell after Charles had left.
https://www.afar.com/magazine/the…
Otherwise, the isles were most often used by the fleet which stayed here for six weeks of quarantine if they had been to an infected place.