Leave of Absence. Ordered, That Sir Henry Wood, in pursuance of his Majesty's Commands, have the Leave of this House to go into Portugall, to wait upon the Queen.
Wine Licences. The Petition of several Persons, who alledge they have Licences, or Letters Patents, under the Great Seal of England, for the Keeping of Taverns, and Selling of Wines by Retale, presented on the Behalf of themselves, and the rest of the Patentees, was this Day read.
Resolved, upon the Question, That a Committee be appointed to examine the Truth of the Matters alledged in the said Petition; and to hear the Petitioners, and such as are intrusted by his Majesty in granting of Wine Licenses; and to reconcile the Differences between them, if they can; or else to report to this House, how they find the same. (The list of names of MPs wanting to be on this committee is very impressive)
Supply Bill; The Bill for raising Eighteen Months Assessment, at Seventy thousand Pounds a Month, for the Supply of his Majesty's present Occasions, was this Day read the First time;
Resolved, That the same be read again, the Second time, To-morrow Morning, the first publick Business.
"I suppose that they left him there so that he could be identified, and his family could come and collect his body."
Who is "they" Bob T? The St. John's Ambulance Corps? The police? The coronor's office?
We take so much for granted.
My guess is that if he isn't found by his friends and families soon, his body will be taken to the nearest church and given a pauper's buriel (i.e. dumped into the next open hole). Bodies stink pretty quickly when left unattended.
Mr Blunden to Sandwich Written from: [Alicant] Date: Undated [28 January 1662] Shelfmark: MS. Carte 73, fol(s). 529 Document type: Holograph
Expresses the sense entertained by British Merchants of the care taken for shipping employed in traffic by his Lordship. Adds a report of some naval advices ... [The date is taken from Lord Sandwich's endorsement.]
FROM Carte Calendar Volume 33, January - August 1662 For more information on the Carte manuscripts and calendar, see the Carte Calendar Project homepage. Shelfmark: MS. Carte Calendar 33 Extent: 488 pages https://wayback.archive-it.org/or…
According to Wiki with some updates from me: In March 1662, Sir George Lane MP was a clerk to the Privy Council, and secretary to the Lord Lieutenant for Ireland, James Butler, Duke of Ormonde (who was also the Lord Steward to the Royal Household at Whitehall, but he wasn’t there so the position went unfilled for years).
In 1663 Pepys refers to Lane as "the man below stairs at Court" so he was influential in both Ireland and at Court in England. Since Lane was Ormonde's representative at Whitehall, he was probably also filling the role of Lord Steward to the Royal Household at Whitehall to the best of his abilities.
According to official correspondence, Lane was the Secretary of State for Ireland in 1662. This makes him the equivilent to John Maitland, Earl of Lauderdale, who was the Secretary of State for Scotland and a Privy Councillor. https://wayback.archive-it.org/or…
If you're confused, RLD, rest assured none of the ladies will be arguing with you, no matter which part of Pepys' extremities was swollen.
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"Today it's the turn of Roger L'Estrange, to "vindicate himself" in a letter to Chancellor Clarendon, ..." His backstory is at https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
On Friday 4 September, 1663 Pepys records: "... and then abroad by water to White Hall and Westminster Hall, and there bought the first newes-books of L’Estrange’s writing; he beginning this week; and makes, methinks, but a simple beginning." One of the few mentions of Pepys reading the 'newspaper' of the day. I suspect Roger L'Estrange's writing was more of a royalist opinion piece than objective reporting. Since the rest of the entry could be a material spoiler, I'm not linking it.
Trials for the regicides was authorized in the Act of Free and General Pardon, Indemnity and Oblivion. It was thought necessary as part of the Europe-wide fight against the anarchy of Protestantism-gone-wild. A world-turned-upside-down was a great fear -- and the Interregnum was a glaring example of what could happen when religious radicals overthrow God's annointed. We are largely ignorant about the wider movement today.
Above I've explained the 1533 uprising in Münster, Germany. That was the basis of the general fear, which was apart from Charles II's desire for revenge for his father's death. On both counts, examples must be made. Regicide and the overthrow of government could not be tolerated.
To put Venner's Rising, the Fifth Monarchists, and the Quakers into perspective, the Act of Free and General Pardon, Indemnity and Oblivion. was thought necessary as part of the Europe-wide fight against the anarchy of Protestantism-gone-wild. A world-turned-upside-down was a great fear -- and the Interregnum was a glaring example of what could happen when Protestant radicals overthrow God's annointed. We are largely ignorant about the wider movement today.
Münster, Germany, had been the epicenter of such an uprising in 1533. Its significance in 1660, and the history of the uprising is posted at https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
"I understand that the Parliament had ordered all persons to be secured, in order to a trial, that did sit as judges in the late King’s death, and all the officers too attending the Court."
Trials for the regicides was authorized in the Act of Free and General Pardon, Indemnity and Oblivion. It was thought necessary as part of the Europe-wide fight against the anarchy of Protestantism-gone-wild. A world-turned-upside-down was a great fear -- and the Interregnum was a glaring example of what could happen when radicals overthrow God's annointed. We are largely ignorant about the wider movement today.
Münster, Germany, had been the epicenter of such an uprising in 1533. Its significance in 1660, and the history of the uprising is posted at https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
The act of oblivion was thought necessary as part of the Europe-wide fight against the anarchy of Protestantism-gone-wild. A world-turned-upside-down was a great fear -- and the Interregnum was a glaring example of what could happen when radicals overthrow God's annointed. We are largely ignorant about the movement today.
Münster, Germany, had been the epicenter of such an uprising in 1533. Its significance in 1660, and the history of the uprising is posted at https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
The act of oblivion was thought necessary as part of the Europe-wide fight against the anarchy of Protestantism-gone-wild. A world-turned-upside-down was a great fear -- and the Interregnum was a glaring example of what could happen when radicals overthrow God's annointed.
The act of oblivion was thought necessary as part of the Europe-wide fight against the anarchy of Protestantism-gone-wild. A world-turned-upside-down was a great fear -- and the Interregnum was a glaring example of what could happen when radicals overthrow God's annointed. We are largely ignorant about the movement today.
Münster, Germany, had been the epicenter of such an uprising in 1533. Its significance in 1660, and the history of the uprising is posted at https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
A short video showing the cages on Munster cathedral where the bodies of the 3 Anabaptist ringleaders were displayed for 50 years: https://www.facebook.com/reel/185…
November 25, Monday. Early in the morning we weighted supposing to have discovered 2 Turks men of war, but they proved 2 merchants, one a Dutchman, and the other Captain Dakins from Zante, who saith that a fortnight ago he was at Alicante and that very day he came away the letters by the post came in and brought news that the English fleet was sailed out of the Downs.
I sent the Princess to convoy them as far as the Northern Cape.
Copied from The Journal of Edward Mountagu, First Earl of Sandwich Admiral and General-at-Sea 1659 - 1665
Edited by RC Anderson Printed for the Navy Records Society MDCCCCXXIX
Section III - Mediterranean 1661/62
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Captain Dakins -- it sounds like Sandwich knew Dakins, but a search shows that Pepys probably didn't during the Diary years. But there was a John Dakins, living near the Vine Tavern in Holborn, who owned a printing press and sold chocolate "at reasonable rates" in 1652. https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl… Zante -- Zakynthos, AKA Zante (its Italian name), is the third largest island in the Ionian Sea, located off the west coast of Greece https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zak… Alicante https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl… The Downs https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl… The Princess -- Sandwich's go-to ship these days https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/… The Northern Cape -- any one with local information who can take a guess at this one?
November 24, Sunday. In the morning 11 sail of ships were in sight, which the Montagu and Princess went to speak with and they proved a fleet come from Malaga bound for London, with whom I sent the Augustine convoy to the Rock of Lisbon. And by them I sent a packet for his R.H., Mr. C. and Lady Sandwich.
Copied from The Journal of Edward Mountagu, First Earl of Sandwich Admiral and General-at-Sea 1659 - 1665
Edited by RC Anderson Printed for the Navy Records Society MDCCCCXXIX
Section III - Mediterranean 1661/62
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The Montagu -- my guess is that the Montagu was a warship -- and the ultimate "vanity plate" for Adm. Sandwich. We last heard about it https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/… The Princess -- previously she came in along, loaded with supplies, so she must have also been large and able to protect herself. https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/… Malaga https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl… The Augustine -- we last heard of her on 18 November https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/… The Rock of Lisbon -- presumably the Lisbon Roads is marked by a rock, where ships could safely anchor and await word there was room at the merchants' docks for them to unload. Any locals know about this? His R.H. -- that's His Royal Highness James, the Lord High Admiral, Mr. Coventry -- Sir William https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl… Lady Sandwich -- I guessed right! This is the letter Sandwich wrote to L.S. yesterday https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
Wiki tells us something about this situation: Tangible evidence of the Thynnes at Buckland [MANOR] occurs over 100 year's later. Thomas' third son, Henry Frederick, had 3 sons, the second of whom, James Thynne of Buckland, had become the lord of the manor, and appears to have been resident in the village. ... He died unmarried, aged 66, in 1709, and a memorial in St. Michael's Church records how he left his 'large personal estate to pious uses', and his lands to his nephew, Thomas Thynne. Thomas, as third son of a third son, would have had few expectations of inheritance. However, his uncle (the 1st Viscount Weymouth, James' elder brother) had inherited Longleat when another Thomas Thynne was assassinated in Pall Mall in 1682, and when Henry, the heir, died without sons in 1708, Thomas ... became heir to the entire Longleat estate. He died a year after James, in 1710, a month before his son was born, The baby Thomas became heir to Longleat, and became 2nd Viscount Weymouth, inheriting the Longleat estates aged just 4, when his great uncle, the 1st Viscount, died. The manor of Buckland was thus re-united with the Longleat estates, and Thomas' son, the 3rd Viscount, was made 1st Marquis of Bath in 1789. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buc…
In 1549 the manor [OF KEMPSFORD] was granted to Sir John Thynne (d. 1580) and it passed to his son John, whose son Sir Thomas was lord in 1608. Sir Thomas (d. 1639) was succeeded at Kempsford by his son by his second marriage, Henry Frederick Thynne, who was made a baronet in 1641 and suffered heavy sequestration fines after the Civil War. From Sir Henry the manor passed to his son Sir Thomas, who was created Viscount Weymouth in 1682, in which year he succeeded to Longleat House and the main family estates. Viscount Weymouth (d. 1714) was succeeded in his estates and title by his great-nephew Thomas (fn. 85), who gave Kempsford to his second son, Henry Frederick Thynne. ... https://www.british-history.ac.uk…
As I said, who lives where was occupying a lot of time.
Some Lords must have been burned by former employees claiming privileges that only legally applied to current employees. I suspect the chaos created by the Restoration and the 180 degree change in power bases resulted in many situations like this. Deciding which family could live in which stately home had occupied both houses in the last 18 months.
Declaration concerning Protections. The Marquis of Dorchester made Report from the Committee for Privileges, of an Order or Declaration concerning Protections; which was offered to the Consideration of the House, as the Opinion of the Committee: Which was read, as followeth:
"That the House should declare, That all Protections that have been granted to any Persons, that are not now their Lordships menial Servants, or Persons necessarily employed about their Estates, are void, and of none Effect; and that Persons who have presumed, or shall presume, to counterfeit the Protection of any Peer of this Realm, shall be severely punished; and that the House would cause this Declaration to be printed."
ORDERED, That this House approves and confirms this Report; and orders the same to be printed and published, as a Declaration of this House.
Sir H. and Sir J. Thynne. The House took into Consideration the Business heard Yesterday, by Counsel, at this Bar, between Sir Henry Frederick Thyne and Sir James Thyne, upon the Bill and Petition depending in this House.
And it is ORDERED, That the further Debate of this Business shall be resumed To-morrow Morning.
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On November 9, 1661, the Thynne suit was somewhat explained -- I think a nephew is contesting his uncle's right to property:
Sir Hen. Thyn's Bill: "An Act for settling the Manor and Lands of Kempsford in Sir Henry Frederick Thyne, and the Heirs of his Body, and the Manor of Buckland, and divers other Manors and Lands, in him and the Heirs Males of his Body."
Sir J. Thyn to be heard about it. Also the Petition of Sir James Thyne was read; desiring Counsel may be heard, at this Bar, before the aforesaid Bill be further proceeded in.
And it is ORDERED, That Sir Henry Frederick Thyne and Sir James Thyne shall be heard, by their Counsel on both Sides, at this Bar, upon the whole Matter of the Bill and Petition now depending in this House, on Monday the Second of December next, at Ten of the Clock; and, after hearing Counsel at the Bar, the Lords will take further Consideration of the said Bill and Petition aforesaid. https://www.british-history.ac.uk…
The Commons discussed some substantive things today, including:
Supply Bill. Ordered, That the Bill for Eighteen Months Assessment for Supply of his Majesty's present Occasions, be brought in To-morrow Morning.
Militia. Resolved, upon the Question, That the Persons hereafter named be appointed a Committee to prepare and bring in a Bill for the Settling of such a Militia as may be suitable to the present Condition of this Kingdom: [67 NAMES MENTIONED, INCLUDING SIR WILLIAM COVENTRY[ and all the Members of this House who were Commission Officers to his Majesty or his Royal Father: And they are to meet in the Speaker's Chamber this Afternoon, at Two of the Clock: And to send for Persons, Papers, and Records: And it is specially recommended to Mr. Vaughan to take care of this Business; and to speed the Bringing-in of the Bill.
Attempts against publick Peace. Ordered, That the Members of this House, who are of his Majesty's Privy Council, Mr. Cofferer, and Sir Roger Bradshaigh, do humbly represent unto his Sacred Majesty, That this House hath received credible Informations, from several Parts of the Kingdom, of divers Designs and Attempts to disturb the publick Peace, and to beseech his Majesty to be pleased to take care for the Prevention and Suppression thereof, and for the Securing the Peace of the Kingdom, in such Manner as to his Majesty, in his Princely Wisdom shall seem meet.
Nigel Pond on 24 Jul 2003 shared that "Oars" and "sculls" are very different:
Technically speaking there is a distinction between "oars" and "sculls" -- oars (or even more correctly, "blades") being the long ones each manned by a single rower, and sculls being the shorter ones that come in pairs manned by a single sculler.
For water transportation, sculls were used, as speed was not of the essence and one man could ply the trade alone. In competition there are events for sculling and rowing, and the famous "Doggett's Coat and Badge" is a sculling race for Thames watermen.
In 1722 "oars" were twice as expensive as "sculls", and travel from the Wardrobe under London Bridge to the Tower of London would have cost the standard set of prices 6d (6 pennies AKA 6 pence) for oars and 3d for sculls. The prices would have been slightly lower in Pepys' time 60 years earlier.
This indicates that the trip takes longer with skulls. Oars should be faster, and more effective when the tide was against them or they had the equivalent of a traffic jam -- the river could get crowded.
For comparison, in 2005 a trip by ferry between Blackfriars Pier, under London Bridge to St. Katherines Pier near the Tower of London takes 12 minutes and costs about 2l.s 25 pence (less a 1/3 discount if you have a Travelcard). A comparison of 6 old pence in 1722 to the 2005 price is an increase of about 90 times.
'"yet I said nothing to it" Lady Wright, if I gleaned from the background correctly, is young, presumably attractive and of some character. I'm surprised our hero would not rise to the occasion.'
Jemima, Lady Sandwich and her sister, Lady Wright, who, through her association with Lady Sandwich, are both members of the nobility, and ladies, even if they were Parliamentarians in the past. Pepys, a commoner and a man, would never "rise to the occasion" and pick a disagreement with the ladies over lunch, or at any other time. This is an eye-rolling matter, which resulted in his holding them in less esteem.
The point above that this was a way of needling Pepys into spending some money on Elizabeth is probably the correct point. They knew they had him in a situation where he couldn't retort and they let him know their opinions. They were grooming him for his new station in life, and he resented their well-intentioned interference.
Comments
Third Reading
About Wednesday 4 December 1661
San Diego Sarah • Link
In the Commons, matters that matter IMHO were
Leave of Absence.
Ordered, That Sir Henry Wood, in pursuance of his Majesty's Commands, have the Leave of this House to go into Portugall, to wait upon the Queen.
Wine Licences.
The Petition of several Persons, who alledge they have Licences, or Letters Patents, under the Great Seal of England, for the Keeping of Taverns, and Selling of Wines by Retale, presented on the Behalf of themselves, and the rest of the Patentees, was this Day read.
Resolved, upon the Question, That a Committee be appointed to examine the Truth of the Matters alledged in the said Petition; and to hear the Petitioners, and such as are intrusted by his Majesty in granting of Wine Licenses; and to reconcile the Differences between them, if they can; or else to report to this House, how they find the same.
(The list of names of MPs wanting to be on this committee is very impressive)
Supply Bill;
The Bill for raising Eighteen Months Assessment, at Seventy thousand Pounds a Month, for the Supply of his Majesty's present Occasions, was this Day read the First time;
Resolved, That the same be read again, the Second time, To-morrow Morning, the first publick Business.
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Sir Henry Wood MP, The Clerk of the Green Cloth
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
About Wednesday 4 December 1661
San Diego Sarah • Link
"I suppose that they left him there so that he could be identified, and his family could come and collect his body."
Who is "they" Bob T? The St. John's Ambulance Corps? The police? The coronor's office?
We take so much for granted.
My guess is that if he isn't found by his friends and families soon, his body will be taken to the nearest church and given a pauper's buriel (i.e. dumped into the next open hole). Bodies stink pretty quickly when left unattended.
About Tuesday 28 January 1661/62
San Diego Sarah • Link
Mr Blunden to Sandwich
Written from: [Alicant]
Date: Undated [28 January 1662]
Shelfmark: MS. Carte 73, fol(s). 529
Document type: Holograph
Expresses the sense entertained by British Merchants of the care taken for shipping employed in traffic by his Lordship. Adds a report of some naval advices ...
[The date is taken from Lord Sandwich's endorsement.]
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William Blunden was the English Consul at Alicante
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
FROM Carte Calendar Volume 33, January - August 1662
For more information on the Carte manuscripts and calendar, see the Carte Calendar Project homepage.
Shelfmark: MS. Carte Calendar 33
Extent: 488 pages
https://wayback.archive-it.org/or…
About George Lane (1st Viscount Lanesborough)
San Diego Sarah • Link
According to Wiki with some updates from me:
In March 1662, Sir George Lane MP was a clerk to the Privy Council, and secretary to the Lord Lieutenant for Ireland, James Butler, Duke of Ormonde (who was also the Lord Steward to the Royal Household at Whitehall, but he wasn’t there so the position went unfilled for years).
In 1663 Pepys refers to Lane as "the man below stairs at Court" so he was influential in both Ireland and at Court in England. Since Lane was Ormonde's representative at Whitehall, he was probably also filling the role of Lord Steward to the Royal Household at Whitehall to the best of his abilities.
According to official correspondence, Lane was the Secretary of State for Ireland in 1662. This makes him the equivilent to John Maitland, Earl of Lauderdale, who was the Secretary of State for Scotland and a Privy Councillor.
https://wayback.archive-it.org/or…
Lane would make a good sub-let prospect.
About Tuesday 3 December 1661
San Diego Sarah • Link
If you're confused, RLD, rest assured none of the ladies will be arguing with you, no matter which part of Pepys' extremities was swollen.
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"Today it's the turn of Roger L'Estrange, to "vindicate himself" in a letter to Chancellor Clarendon, ..."
His backstory is at https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
On Friday 4 September, 1663 Pepys records: "... and then abroad by water to White Hall and Westminster Hall, and there bought the first newes-books of L’Estrange’s writing; he beginning this week; and makes, methinks, but a simple beginning." One of the few mentions of Pepys reading the 'newspaper' of the day.
I suspect Roger L'Estrange's writing was more of a royalist opinion piece than objective reporting.
Since the rest of the entry could be a material spoiler, I'm not linking it.
About Anabaptism
San Diego Sarah • Link
Trials for the regicides was authorized in the Act of Free and General Pardon, Indemnity and Oblivion. It was thought necessary as part of the Europe-wide fight against the anarchy of Protestantism-gone-wild. A world-turned-upside-down was a great fear -- and the Interregnum was a glaring example of what could happen when religious radicals overthrow God's annointed. We are largely ignorant about the wider movement today.
Above I've explained the 1533 uprising in Münster, Germany. That was the basis of the general fear, which was apart from Charles II's desire for revenge for his father's death. On both counts, examples must be made. Regicide and the overthrow of government could not be tolerated.
"An Act of Free and General Pardon, Indemnity and Oblivion" -- text
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/An…
It received the royal assent on 29 August, 1660.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
About Monday 7 January 1660/61
San Diego Sarah • Link
To put Venner's Rising, the Fifth Monarchists, and the Quakers into perspective, the Act of Free and General Pardon, Indemnity and Oblivion. was thought necessary as part of the Europe-wide fight against the anarchy of Protestantism-gone-wild.
A world-turned-upside-down was a great fear -- and the Interregnum was a glaring example of what could happen when Protestant radicals overthrow God's annointed. We are largely ignorant about the wider movement today.
Münster, Germany, had been the epicenter of such an uprising in 1533. Its significance in 1660, and the history of the uprising is posted at
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
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"An Act of Free and General Pardon, Indemnity and Oblivion" -- text
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/An…
It received the royal assent on 29 August, 1660.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
About Monday 21 May 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
"I understand that the Parliament had ordered all persons to be secured, in order to a trial, that did sit as judges in the late King’s death, and all the officers too attending the Court."
Trials for the regicides was authorized in the Act of Free and General Pardon, Indemnity and Oblivion. It was thought necessary as part of the Europe-wide fight against the anarchy of Protestantism-gone-wild. A world-turned-upside-down was a great fear -- and the Interregnum was a glaring example of what could happen when radicals overthrow God's annointed. We are largely ignorant about the wider movement today.
Münster, Germany, had been the epicenter of such an uprising in 1533. Its significance in 1660, and the history of the uprising is posted at
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
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"An Act of Free and General Pardon, Indemnity and Oblivion" -- text
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/An…
It received the royal assent on 29 August, 1660.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
About Wednesday 29 August 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
"An act of free and general pardon, indemnity and oblivion" -- text
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/An…
It received the royal assent on 29 August, 1660.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
The act of oblivion was thought necessary as part of the Europe-wide fight against the anarchy of Protestantism-gone-wild. A world-turned-upside-down was a great fear -- and the Interregnum was a glaring example of what could happen when radicals overthrow God's annointed. We are largely ignorant about the movement today.
Münster, Germany, had been the epicenter of such an uprising in 1533. Its significance in 1660, and the history of the uprising is posted at
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
About Fanatics / Nonconformists
San Diego Sarah • Link
The act of oblivion was thought necessary as part of the Europe-wide fight against the anarchy of Protestantism-gone-wild. A world-turned-upside-down was a great fear -- and the Interregnum was a glaring example of what could happen when radicals overthrow God's annointed.
"An act of free and general pardon, indemnity and oblivion" -- text
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/An…
It received the royal assent on 29 August, 1660.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
About Wednesday 2 May 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
The act of oblivion was thought necessary as part of the Europe-wide fight against the anarchy of Protestantism-gone-wild. A world-turned-upside-down was a great fear -- and the Interregnum was a glaring example of what could happen when radicals overthrow God's annointed. We are largely ignorant about the movement today.
Münster, Germany, had been the epicenter of such an uprising in 1533. Its significance in 1660, and the history of the uprising is posted at
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
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"An act of free and general pardon, indemnity and oblivion" -- text
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/An…
It received the royal assent on 29 August, 1660.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
About Fanatics / Nonconformists
San Diego Sarah • Link
A short video showing the cages on Munster cathedral where the bodies of the 3 Anabaptist ringleaders were displayed for 50 years:
https://www.facebook.com/reel/185…
About Monday 25 November 1661
San Diego Sarah • Link
From Sandwich's log, at anchor in Tangier Bay:
November 25, Monday.
Early in the morning we weighted supposing to have discovered 2 Turks men of war, but they proved 2 merchants, one a Dutchman, and the other Captain Dakins from Zante, who saith that a fortnight ago he was at Alicante and that very day he came away the letters by the post came in and brought news that the English fleet was sailed out of the Downs.
I sent the Princess to convoy them as far as the Northern Cape.
Copied from
The Journal of Edward Mountagu,
First Earl of Sandwich
Admiral and General-at-Sea 1659 - 1665
Edited by RC Anderson
Printed for the Navy Records Society
MDCCCCXXIX
Section III - Mediterranean 1661/62
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Captain Dakins -- it sounds like Sandwich knew Dakins, but a search shows that Pepys probably didn't during the Diary years. But there was a John Dakins, living near the Vine Tavern in Holborn, who owned a printing press and sold chocolate "at reasonable rates" in 1652.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
Zante -- Zakynthos, AKA Zante (its Italian name), is the third largest island in the Ionian Sea, located off the west coast of Greece
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zak…
Alicante
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
The Downs
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
The Princess -- Sandwich's go-to ship these days
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
The Northern Cape -- any one with local information who can take a guess at this one?
About Sunday 24 November 1661
San Diego Sarah • Link
From Sandwich's log, at anchor in Tangier Bay:
November 24, Sunday.
In the morning 11 sail of ships were in sight, which the Montagu and Princess went to speak with and they proved a fleet come from Malaga bound for London, with whom I sent the Augustine convoy to the Rock of Lisbon. And by them I sent a packet for his R.H., Mr. C. and Lady Sandwich.
Copied from
The Journal of Edward Mountagu,
First Earl of Sandwich
Admiral and General-at-Sea 1659 - 1665
Edited by RC Anderson
Printed for the Navy Records Society
MDCCCCXXIX
Section III - Mediterranean 1661/62
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The Montagu -- my guess is that the Montagu was a warship -- and the ultimate "vanity plate" for Adm. Sandwich. We last heard about it https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
The Princess -- previously she came in along, loaded with supplies, so she must have also been large and able to protect herself.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
Malaga
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
The Augustine -- we last heard of her on 18 November
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
The Rock of Lisbon -- presumably the Lisbon Roads is marked by a rock, where ships could safely anchor and await word there was room at the merchants' docks for them to unload. Any locals know about this?
His R.H. -- that's His Royal Highness James, the Lord High Admiral,
Mr. Coventry -- Sir William
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
Lady Sandwich -- I guessed right! This is the letter Sandwich wrote to L.S. yesterday
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
About Tuesday 3 December 1661
San Diego Sarah • Link
CONCLUSION:
Wiki tells us something about this situation:
Tangible evidence of the Thynnes at Buckland [MANOR] occurs over 100 year's later. Thomas' third son, Henry Frederick, had 3 sons, the second of whom, James Thynne of Buckland, had become the lord of the manor, and appears to have been resident in the village. ...
He died unmarried, aged 66, in 1709, and a memorial in St. Michael's Church records how he left his 'large personal estate to pious uses', and his lands to his nephew, Thomas Thynne.
Thomas, as third son of a third son, would have had few expectations of inheritance. However, his uncle (the 1st Viscount Weymouth, James' elder brother) had inherited Longleat when another Thomas Thynne was assassinated in Pall Mall in 1682, and when Henry, the heir, died without sons in 1708, Thomas ... became heir to the entire Longleat estate.
He died a year after James, in 1710, a month before his son was born, The baby Thomas became heir to Longleat, and became 2nd Viscount Weymouth, inheriting the Longleat estates aged just 4, when his great uncle, the 1st Viscount, died.
The manor of Buckland was thus re-united with the Longleat estates, and Thomas' son, the 3rd Viscount, was made 1st Marquis of Bath in 1789.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buc…
In 1549 the manor [OF KEMPSFORD] was granted to Sir John Thynne (d. 1580) and it passed to his son John, whose son Sir Thomas was lord in 1608.
Sir Thomas (d. 1639) was succeeded at Kempsford by his son by his second marriage, Henry Frederick Thynne, who was made a baronet in 1641 and suffered heavy sequestration fines after the Civil War.
From Sir Henry the manor passed to his son Sir Thomas, who was created Viscount Weymouth in 1682, in which year he succeeded to Longleat House and the main family estates.
Viscount Weymouth (d. 1714) was succeeded in his estates and title by his great-nephew Thomas (fn. 85), who gave Kempsford to his second son, Henry Frederick Thynne. ...
https://www.british-history.ac.uk…
As I said, who lives where was occupying a lot of time.
About Tuesday 3 December 1661
San Diego Sarah • Link
Some Lords must have been burned by former employees claiming privileges that only legally applied to current employees.
I suspect the chaos created by the Restoration and the 180 degree change in power bases resulted in many situations like this. Deciding which family could live in which stately home had occupied both houses in the last 18 months.
Declaration concerning Protections.
The Marquis of Dorchester made Report from the Committee for Privileges, of an Order or Declaration concerning Protections; which was offered to the Consideration of the House, as the Opinion of the Committee: Which was read, as followeth:
"That the House should declare, That all Protections that have been granted to any Persons, that are not now their Lordships menial Servants, or Persons necessarily employed about their Estates, are void, and of none Effect; and that Persons who have presumed, or shall presume, to counterfeit the Protection of any Peer of this Realm, shall be severely punished; and that the House would cause this Declaration to be printed."
ORDERED, That this House approves and confirms this Report; and orders the same to be printed and published, as a Declaration of this House.
Sir H. and Sir J. Thynne.
The House took into Consideration the Business heard Yesterday, by Counsel, at this Bar, between Sir Henry Frederick Thyne and Sir James Thyne, upon the Bill and Petition depending in this House.
And it is ORDERED, That the further Debate of this Business shall be resumed To-morrow Morning.
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On November 9, 1661, the Thynne suit was somewhat explained -- I think a nephew is contesting his uncle's right to property:
Sir Hen. Thyn's Bill:
"An Act for settling the Manor and Lands of Kempsford in Sir Henry Frederick Thyne, and the Heirs of his Body, and the Manor of Buckland, and divers other Manors and Lands, in him and the Heirs Males of his Body."
Sir J. Thyn to be heard about it.
Also the Petition of Sir James Thyne was read; desiring Counsel may be heard, at this Bar, before the aforesaid Bill be further proceeded in.
And it is ORDERED, That Sir Henry Frederick Thyne and Sir James Thyne shall be heard, by their Counsel on both Sides, at this Bar, upon the whole Matter of the Bill and Petition now depending in this House, on Monday the Second of December next, at Ten of the Clock; and, after hearing Counsel at the Bar, the Lords will take further Consideration of the said Bill and Petition aforesaid.
https://www.british-history.ac.uk…
About Tuesday 3 December 1661
San Diego Sarah • Link
The Commons discussed some substantive things today, including:
Supply Bill.
Ordered, That the Bill for Eighteen Months Assessment for Supply of his Majesty's present Occasions, be brought in To-morrow Morning.
Militia.
Resolved, upon the Question, That the Persons hereafter named be appointed a Committee to prepare and bring in a Bill for the Settling of such a Militia as may be suitable to the present Condition of this Kingdom: [67 NAMES MENTIONED, INCLUDING SIR WILLIAM COVENTRY[ and all the Members of this House who were Commission Officers to his Majesty or his Royal Father: And they are to meet in the Speaker's Chamber this Afternoon, at Two of the Clock: And to send for Persons, Papers, and Records: And it is specially recommended to Mr. Vaughan to take care of this Business; and to speed the Bringing-in of the Bill.
Attempts against publick Peace.
Ordered, That the Members of this House, who are of his Majesty's Privy Council, Mr. Cofferer, and Sir Roger Bradshaigh, do humbly represent unto his Sacred Majesty, That this House hath received credible Informations, from several Parts of the Kingdom, of divers Designs and Attempts to disturb the publick Peace, and to beseech his Majesty to be pleased to take care for the Prevention and Suppression thereof, and for the Securing the Peace of the Kingdom, in such Manner as to his Majesty, in his Princely Wisdom shall seem meet.
The "plot" in question -- which Pepys says didn't find credible -- is explained at https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Sculls/Oars
San Diego Sarah • Link
Nigel Pond on 24 Jul 2003 shared that "Oars" and "sculls" are very different:
Technically speaking there is a distinction between "oars" and "sculls" -- oars (or even more correctly, "blades") being the long ones each manned by a single rower, and sculls being the shorter ones that come in pairs manned by a single sculler.
For water transportation, sculls were used, as speed was not of the essence and one man could ply the trade alone.
In competition there are events for sculling and rowing, and the famous "Doggett's Coat and Badge" is a sculling race for Thames watermen.
Oustide technical circles, the word "oars" is used to mean both types.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Sculls/Oars
San Diego Sarah • Link
Glyn on 5 Dec 2004 told us that:
In 1722 "oars" were twice as expensive as "sculls", and travel from the Wardrobe under London Bridge to the Tower of London would have cost the standard set of prices 6d (6 pennies AKA 6 pence) for oars and 3d for sculls.
The prices would have been slightly lower in Pepys' time 60 years earlier.
This indicates that the trip takes longer with skulls. Oars should be faster, and more effective when the tide was against them or they had the equivalent of a traffic jam -- the river could get crowded.
For comparison, in 2005 a trip by ferry between Blackfriars Pier, under London Bridge to St. Katherines Pier near the Tower of London takes 12 minutes and costs about 2l.s 25 pence (less a 1/3 discount if you have a Travelcard). A comparison of 6 old pence in 1722 to the 2005 price is an increase of about 90 times.
For the original post, links and context, go to
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Tuesday 3 December 1661
San Diego Sarah • Link
'"yet I said nothing to it" Lady Wright, if I gleaned from the background correctly, is young, presumably attractive and of some character. I'm surprised our hero would not rise to the occasion.'
Jemima, Lady Sandwich and her sister, Lady Wright, who, through her association with Lady Sandwich, are both members of the nobility, and ladies, even if they were Parliamentarians in the past.
Pepys, a commoner and a man, would never "rise to the occasion" and pick a disagreement with the ladies over lunch, or at any other time. This is an eye-rolling matter, which resulted in his holding them in less esteem.
The point above that this was a way of needling Pepys into spending some money on Elizabeth is probably the correct point. They knew they had him in a situation where he couldn't retort and they let him know their opinions. They were grooming him for his new station in life, and he resented their well-intentioned interference.
Good.