Agreed, John. Pepys is playing a difficult hand; he and James may "win", or they may go down with the rest of the Navy Board. The number of tweeks and rewrites to Pepys' response to the Duke of York's letter and his colleagues answers tells you how careful Sam was being with the words, innuendo and facts.
But three weeks ago Pepys swrote: "Writing to my father to-night not to unfurnish our house in the country for my sister, who is going to her own house, because I think I may have occasion myself to come thither; and so I do, by our being put out of the Office, which do not at all trouble me to think of." https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
To leave Elizabeth in the dark about this troublesome situation and its possible outcomes would not be fair. Plus she might say something inadvertently to Lady Penn or one of the servants if she didn't understand the stakes.
Turns out Queen Elizabeth had a tiled bathroom: "For all her restless energy, Elizabeth did know how to relax. One of her main pleasures was bathing, and she made sure it was as luxurious and entertaining as possible. At Whitehall Palace, she had the Tudor equivalent of a sauna, heated by a ceramic tiled stove. There was also a splendidly arrayed bathroom which, as well as a large bath, contained an elaborate water feature where ‘the water pours from oyster shells and different kinds of rock.’ "Next to the bathroom was a room containing an organ so that the Queen could be serenaded while she soaked in the tub." https://blog.hrp.org.uk/curators/…
Anyone know if Charles II had an up-dated version? They were becoming popular at the time.
@@@ Sept. 17. 1668 Col. Thomas Middleton to Sam. Pepys. Chatham
I have discharged 20 of the shipwrights, the Board saying God forbid you should keep men at work who desire to be discharged, without money to pay them.
I finished the pay of the Royal Sovereign, which has taken so much money that I was forced to borrow 700/. of the chest, which was all their stock; I hope it will be sent down tomorrow.
I have sent the shipwright's assistant to look after 200 or 300 loads of timber for the new ship. Mr. Mason's timber is the best I ever saw delivered into any of the King's yards; he has 1,000 loads, 500 of which is at Maidstone ready to be brought down; it shall be viewed and reported to you before Mason comes to London;
200 loads of young Moorcock's remains to be delivered, which will be brought if you will cause a bill to be made out for it, and prompt payment for the rest according to contract;
if there be any difference [about price] you may help yourselves in the latter payment, as any course would be better rather than to want it.
[Phineas] Pett has asked leave to go to London; they will do well to come to some conclusion about his timber. 21 pages. [S.P. Dom., Car. II. 246, . No. 76. ]
Will 19-year-old James Scott, Duke of Monmouth be as ruthless and as successful guarding the Monarch's life as the ruthless old warrior, Charles, Lord Gerard?
The Mansion House that we know wasn't begun until 1739, so there are a few years for the stocks and the market to exist as Pepys is describing the layout. https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/a….
"Up; and dressing myself I did begin para toker the breasts of my maid Jane, which elle did give way to more than usual heretofore, so I have a design to try more when I can bring it to."
Pepys didn't really dress himself ... Jane was around.
But where was his boy, Tom Edwards? On Tuesday 11 February 1668 Tom and Jane wanted to be married, and Pepys was sad because he would have to fire them both ... but that hasn't happened. What changed, Pepys?
That strapping teenager could have decked him. Living dangerously as usual. Perhaps Pepys wants to get caught? https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
The Great Fire consumed not only St. Paul's Cathedral, but also the Deanery. This is the story of the reconstruction and the people who did it, like Christopher Wren ... or maybe his assistant ... and Archbishop Sancroft. During recent excavations they found 3 ft. of rubble from the Great Fire: https://londontopia.net/columns/l…
Francis Russell, 2nd Earl of Bedford, lived for a while at Chenies, Buckinghamshire. Obviously the house has changed considerably, but it gives a taste of what he might have known: https://www.countrylife.co.uk/arc…
"Up mighty betimes, my wife and people, ..., by three o’clock, and I about five; and they before, and I after them, to the coach in Bishopsgate Street, which was not ready to set out." https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
Elizabeth, Mercer, Deb and Hewer were off to Cambridge; an early start was essential for this 64 mile, 2 day journey. Interestingly, this is a different inn than the one used for going to Buckden, Cambridgeshire (close to Brampton).
The Bishopsgate was the London terminus of the Roman road, Ermine Street, (sometimes called the Old North Road) which connects London to Cambridge, Lincoln, and York Bishopsgate Street had many coaching inns which accommodated passengers setting out on the Old North Road. They survived the Great Fire, and included the Angel, the Black Bull, the Dolphin, the Flower Pot, the Green Dragon, the Magpie and Punchbowl, the Catherine Wheel, the White Hart and the Wrestlers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bis…
"Up mighty betimes, my wife and people, ..., by three o’clock, and I about five; and they before, and I after them, to the coach in Bishopsgate Street, which was not ready to set out." https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
Elizabeth, Mercer, Deb and Hewer were off to Cambridge; an early start was essential for this 64 miles, 2 day journey. Interestingly, this is a different inn than the one used for going to Buckden, Cambridgeshire (close to Brampton).
The Bishopsgate was the London terminus of the Roman road, Ermine Street, (sometimes called the Old North Road) which connects London to Cambridge, Lincoln, and York
“Thence by coach to the Red Lyon, thinking to meet my father, but I come too soon, but my wife is gone out of town to meet him.”
This may be a stop, but not the terminus, of the stage coach as in the past we have been told The George, Holborn was the coaching inn terminus for coaches to Buckden, which is close to Brampton, Cambridgeshire.
If you are going to Brampton, you secure a good seat at the terminus/The George. If you are arriving in London, you get off at the nearest stop to your destination.
This is an important resource, but unfortunately is undergoing a make-over. The old maps and resources are available, but things should look even better and more informative soon. https://darmc.harvard.edu/?fbclid…
Across London Bridge, in Southwark, Surrey, was another St. Olave's ... the rectory of which Dr. [Henry?] Killigrew appears to have been protecting. https://www.familysearch.org/wiki…
Dr. Henry Killigrew's brother, Thomas the theater manager, was far from a doctor:
"Unlike that of his brothers William (1606–1695) and Henry, who both studied at Oxford, Thomas' formal education appears to have been rather incidental. Correct spelling was an achievement that, even in later life, he never quite attained. As his brother Henry, in a letter to Anthony Wood, testified in November 1691, Thomas 'wanted some learning to poise his excellent natural wit' (Pritchard, 288)." http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.… YOU MAY NEED A SUBSCRIPTION ... SOMETIMES BUT NOT ALWAYS
Stephane, a tip: When you want to find one of your past posts, click on your name (in blue above) ... up come all your work with the dates! Thank you, Phil.
For those of us nostalgic for a look at those famous White Cliffs, and to see them as of 2021, take a look at these photos. The article is also pretty evocative, and I even enjoyed the Comments below. https://spitalfieldslife.com/2021…
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About Sunday 13 September 1668
San Diego Sarah • Link
Agreed, John. Pepys is playing a difficult hand; he and James may "win", or they may go down with the rest of the Navy Board. The number of tweeks and rewrites to Pepys' response to the Duke of York's letter and his colleagues answers tells you how careful Sam was being with the words, innuendo and facts.
But three weeks ago Pepys swrote: "Writing to my father to-night not to unfurnish our house in the country for my sister, who is going to her own house, because I think I may have occasion myself to come thither; and so I do, by our being put out of the Office, which do not at all trouble me to think of."
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
To leave Elizabeth in the dark about this troublesome situation and its possible outcomes would not be fair. Plus she might say something inadvertently to Lady Penn or one of the servants if she didn't understand the stakes.
About Whitehall Palace (general information)
San Diego Sarah • Link
Turns out Queen Elizabeth had a tiled bathroom:
"For all her restless energy, Elizabeth did know how to relax. One of her main pleasures was bathing, and she made sure it was as luxurious and entertaining as possible. At Whitehall Palace, she had the Tudor equivalent of a sauna, heated by a ceramic tiled stove. There was also a splendidly arrayed bathroom which, as well as a large bath, contained an elaborate water feature where ‘the water pours from oyster shells and different kinds of rock.’
"Next to the bathroom was a room containing an organ so that the Queen could be serenaded while she soaked in the tub."
https://blog.hrp.org.uk/curators/…
Anyone know if Charles II had an up-dated version? They were becoming popular at the time.
About Thursday 17 September 1668
San Diego Sarah • Link
The volume covering correspondence from November 1667 through September 1668 is at
https://play.google.com/books/rea…
PAGES 636-637
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Sept. 17. 1668
Col. Thomas Middleton to Sam. Pepys.
Chatham
I have discharged 20 of the shipwrights, the Board saying God forbid you
should keep men at work who desire to be discharged, without money to pay them.
I finished the pay of the Royal Sovereign, which has taken so much money that I was forced to borrow 700/. of the chest, which was all their stock;
I hope it will be sent down tomorrow.
I have sent the shipwright's assistant to look after 200 or 300 loads of timber for the new ship.
Mr. Mason's timber is the best I ever saw delivered into any of the King's yards;
he has 1,000 loads, 500 of which is at Maidstone ready to be brought down;
it shall be viewed and reported to you before Mason comes to London;
200 loads of young Moorcock's remains to be delivered, which will be brought if you will cause a bill to be made out for it, and prompt payment for the rest according to contract;
if there be any difference [about price] you may help yourselves in the latter payment, as any course would be better rather than to want it.
[Phineas] Pett has asked leave to go to London;
they will do well to come to some conclusion about his timber.
21 pages. [S.P. Dom., Car. II. 246, . No. 76. ]
About Wednesday 16 September 1668
San Diego Sarah • Link
Will 19-year-old James Scott, Duke of Monmouth be as ruthless and as successful guarding the Monarch's life as the ruthless old warrior, Charles, Lord Gerard?
About Stocks Market
San Diego Sarah • Link
The Mansion House that we know wasn't begun until 1739, so there are a few years for the stocks and the market to exist as Pepys is describing the layout.
https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/a….
About Wednesday 16 September 1668
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Up; and dressing myself I did begin para toker the breasts of my maid Jane, which elle did give way to more than usual heretofore, so I have a design to try more when I can bring it to."
Pepys didn't really dress himself ... Jane was around.
But where was his boy, Tom Edwards? On Tuesday 11 February 1668 Tom and Jane wanted to be married, and Pepys was sad because he would have to fire them both ... but that hasn't happened. What changed, Pepys?
That strapping teenager could have decked him. Living dangerously as usual. Perhaps Pepys wants to get caught?
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About St Paul's Cathedral
San Diego Sarah • Link
The Great Fire consumed not only St. Paul's Cathedral, but also the Deanery. This is the story of the reconstruction and the people who did it, like Christopher Wren ... or maybe his assistant ... and Archbishop Sancroft.
During recent excavations they found 3 ft. of rubble from the Great Fire:
https://londontopia.net/columns/l…
About Francis Russell (2nd Earl of Bedford)
San Diego Sarah • Link
Francis Russell, 2nd Earl of Bedford, lived for a while at Chenies, Buckinghamshire. Obviously the house has changed considerably, but it gives a taste of what he might have known:
https://www.countrylife.co.uk/arc…
About Louis XIV (King of France, 1643-1715)
San Diego Sarah • Link
According to this article about a new book on Versailles, Louis XIV started building it in 1661. Magnificent photos
https://www.countrylife.co.uk/arc…
About Sunday 13 September 1668
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Since they were in Oxford with Charles II for much of the War, ..."
I mis-spoke ... should be they were in Oxford during the plague, not the war.
About Bishopsgate Street
San Diego Sarah • Link
Tuesday 15 September 1668
"Up mighty betimes, my wife and people, ..., by three o’clock, and I about five; and they before, and I after them, to the coach in Bishopsgate Street, which was not ready to set out."
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
Elizabeth, Mercer, Deb and Hewer were off to Cambridge; an early start was essential for this 64 mile, 2 day journey.
Interestingly, this is a different inn than the one used for going to Buckden, Cambridgeshire (close to Brampton).
The Bishopsgate was the London terminus of the Roman road, Ermine Street, (sometimes called the Old North Road) which connects London to Cambridge, Lincoln, and York
Bishopsgate Street had many coaching inns which accommodated passengers setting out on the Old North Road. They survived the Great Fire, and included the Angel, the Black Bull, the Dolphin, the Flower Pot, the Green Dragon, the Magpie and Punchbowl, the Catherine Wheel, the White Hart and the Wrestlers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bis…
About Cambridge
San Diego Sarah • Link
Tuesday 15 September 1668
"Up mighty betimes, my wife and people, ..., by three o’clock, and I about five; and they before, and I after them, to the coach in Bishopsgate Street, which was not ready to set out."
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
Elizabeth, Mercer, Deb and Hewer were off to Cambridge; an early start was essential for this 64 miles, 2 day journey.
Interestingly, this is a different inn than the one used for going to Buckden, Cambridgeshire (close to Brampton).
The Bishopsgate was the London terminus of the Roman road, Ermine Street, (sometimes called the Old North Road) which connects London to Cambridge, Lincoln, and York
About Brampton, Cambridgeshire
San Diego Sarah • Link
On 22 May, 1667 Pepys says:
“Thence by coach to the Red Lyon, thinking to meet my father, but I come too soon, but my wife is gone out of town to meet him.”
This may be a stop, but not the terminus, of the stage coach as in the past we have been told The George, Holborn was the coaching inn terminus for coaches to Buckden, which is close to Brampton, Cambridgeshire.
If you are going to Brampton, you secure a good seat at the terminus/The George.
If you are arriving in London, you get off at the nearest stop to your destination.
About Temple Church
San Diego Sarah • Link
Lovely pictures and the history, with details of Wren's 17th century improvements at https://londontopia.net/columns/l…
About Maps of the World
San Diego Sarah • Link
This is an important resource, but unfortunately is undergoing a make-over.
The old maps and resources are available, but things should look even better and more informative soon.
https://darmc.harvard.edu/?fbclid…
About Saturday 12 September 1668
San Diego Sarah • Link
At one time St. Olave was a big deal in London and surrounds. There's more than one church named for him.
Pepys goes to St. Olave Hart Street
https://medievallondon.ace.fordha…
Across London Bridge, in Southwark, Surrey, was another St. Olave's ... the rectory of which Dr. [Henry?] Killigrew appears to have been protecting.
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki…
Dr. Henry Killigrew's brother, Thomas the theater manager, was far from a doctor:
"Unlike that of his brothers William (1606–1695) and Henry, who both studied at Oxford, Thomas' formal education appears to have been rather incidental. Correct spelling was an achievement that, even in later life, he never quite attained. As his brother Henry, in a letter to Anthony Wood, testified in November 1691, Thomas 'wanted some learning to poise his excellent natural wit' (Pritchard, 288)."
http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.…
YOU MAY NEED A SUBSCRIPTION ... SOMETIMES BUT NOT ALWAYS
About Friday 11 September 1668
San Diego Sarah • Link
Don't take everything personally, Stephane ... I bet 10 people said, "I didn't know that!"
About Friday 11 September 1668
San Diego Sarah • Link
Stephane, a tip: When you want to find one of your past posts, click on your name (in blue above) ... up come all your work with the dates! Thank you, Phil.
I think the St. Kitts post you are referring to is
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Friday 11 September 1668
San Diego Sarah • Link
"drawing up my defense to the Duke of York upon his great letter"
His colleages suspect he is the author, so he's acting innocent. If he hadn't written it, he would respond.
About Dover, Kent
San Diego Sarah • Link
For those of us nostalgic for a look at those famous White Cliffs, and to see them as of 2021, take a look at these photos. The article is also pretty evocative, and I even enjoyed the Comments below.
https://spitalfieldslife.com/2021…