Tuesday 3 March 1668

Up betimes to work again, and then met at the Office, where to our great business of this answer to the Parliament; where to my great vexation I find my Lord Brouncker prepared only to excuse himself, while I, that have least reason to trouble myself, am preparing with great pains to defend them all: and more, I perceive, he would lodge the beginning of discharging ships by ticket upon me; but I care not, for I believe I shall get more honour by it when the Parliament, against my will, shall see how the whole business of the Office was done by me. At noon rose and to dinner. My wife abroad with Mercer and Deb. buying of things, but I with my clerks home to dinner, and thence presently down with Lord Brouncker, W. Pen, T. Harvy, T. Middleton, and Mr. Tippets, who first took his place this day at the table, as a Commissioner, in the room of Commissioner Pett. Down by water to Deptford, where the King, Queene, and Court are to see launched the new ship built by Mr. Shish, called “The Charles.” God send her better luck than the former! Here some of our brethren, who went in a boat a little before my boat, did by appointment take opportunity of asking the King’s leave that we might make full use of the want of money, in our excuse to the Parliament for the business of tickets, and other things they will lay to our charge, all which arose from nothing else: and this the King did readily agree to, and did give us leave to make our full use of it. The ship being well launched, I back again by boat, setting [Sir] T. Middleton and Mr. Tippets on shore at Ratcliffe, I home and there to my chamber with Mr. Gibson, and late up till midnight preparing more things against our defence on Thursday next to my content, though vexed that all this trouble should be on me. So to supper and to bed.

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Terry Foreman   Link to this

John Evelyn's Diary

3d March, 1668. Was launched at Deptford, that goodly vessel, "The Charles."
I was neere his Majesty. She is longer than the Sovereign, and carries 110 brass cannon; she was built by old Shish, a plaine, honest carpenter, master-builder of this dock, but one who can give very little account of his art by discourse, and is hardly capable of reading, yet of greate abilitie in his calling. The family have been ship carpenters in this yard above 300 years.

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Carl in Boston   Link to this

one who can give very little account of his art by discourse, and is hardly capable of reading, yet of greate abilitie in his calling
This is so common among performers: they can do their art, but can't teach it.

Todd Bernhardt   Link to this

"but I care not, for I believe I shall get more honour by it when the Parliament, against my will, shall see how the whole business of the Office was done by me."

Love it. You can almost sense him putting extra pressure on his pen as he writes this...

Robert Gertz   Link to this

I don't know Sam...
As you glory at the prospect of being seen as the true man in charge, remember the words of Ted Baxter to Mary Richards when she told him of her being "...responsible for every facet of this production."

"Gee and I thought I was the reason the show always stunk."

language hat   Link to this

Shish is an odd name, and I thought I would investigate it; it's in none of my surname references, and it's hard to search for online thanks to shish kebob/kabob, but I turned up this quote, from the Proceedings of the Huguenot Society of London, Vol. 23 (1982):

"John Shish is an unbelievable name over which I wasted much time taking it for granted it was a mis-spelling. Then to my shame I came across the great family of Shish—shipwrights to the Royal Navy for over a hundred years. I say 'to my shame' as the family occurs throughout Pepys' Diary and naval correspondence as well as in Evelyn's Diary, and any book connected with the Royal Navy in that era. Faced with such a curious choice of second name a researcher must pause to ask, 'what is the significance of such a name?' (this applies to any surname used as a Christian name before the mid-19th century). There could be two solutions, a marriage or perhaps a business connection. As neither Wagner nor I have yet traced the marriage of Peter it could well be that his wife Elizabeth was a Shish or a Shish by descent. However, the Shish family worked in Deptford and Woolwich, not far from the East India Company's headquarters, and the Customs Warehouses, and they lived in Greenwich, all areas with which the Tahourdins had connections; in addition, the Shish family had its business office in Mark Lane and the Tahourdins had theirs in Throgmorton street."

There doesn't seem to be any discussion of the origin of the name, which is what I'm really interested in.

Don O'Shea   Link to this

@ Carl in Boston
"This is so common among performers: they can do their art, but can’t teach it."

This may be true of performers, but in the case of artisans it is probably job protection. To some craftsman, teaching their craft is never done.

Once when I was visiting Kodak I heard of an old German optician who finished their high preformance lenses and was retiring within a year. He was asked to train a new employee to grind and polish lens surfaces. He agreed and proceeded to explain and demonstrate all of the processes, except when he got to the final finish. He would turn to the polisher, check the quality of the surfaces, then make some adjustments, but he would never tell the trainee what he was doing. Despite management requests, he just wouldn't/couldn't reveal his secrets.

Perhaps Shish was pronounced "Shush!"

Douglas Robertson   Link to this

"Shish is an odd name"...

...not to menation an inconvenient one for a shipwright: just try saying "Shish's ship" quickly even once.

A. De Araujo   Link to this

"[Sir] T. Middleton"
Could it be?related to Kate, that is.

Clement   Link to this

Shish a Scot's name?

Found this on a geneology message board:
"Shish, James
Bo'ness. Covenanter. Transported to America 16 August 1670.
(PC)

I am not related to this family, I am just passing on this information, which comes from a book titled " Scots Banished to the American Plantations" 1650-1775 by David Dobson. Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. 1983. pg. 198.
Joyce"

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.shish/1/mb....
--accessed 6 March, 2011

Bo'ness, or "Borrowstounness" is a port town, on the Firth of Forth.

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