Monday 5 October 1663

Up with pain, and with Sir J. Minnes by coach to the Temple, and then I to my brother’s, and up and down on business, and so to the New Exchange, and there met Creed, and he and I walked two or three hours, talking of many businesses, especially about Tangier, and my Lord Tiviot’s bringing in of high accounts, and yet if they were higher are like to pass without exception, and then of my Lord Sandwich sending a messenger to know whether the King intends to come to Newmarket, as is talked, that he may be ready to entertain him at Hinchingbroke. Thence home and dined, and my wife all day putting up her hangings in her closett, which she do very prettily herself with her own hand, to my great content. So I to the office till night, about several businesses, and then went and sat an hour or two with Sir W. Pen, talking very largely of Sir J. Minnes’s simplicity and unsteadiness, and of Sir W. Batten’s suspicious dealings, wherein I was open, and he sufficiently, so that I do not care for his telling of tales, for he said as much, but whether that were so or no I said nothing but what is my certain knowledge and belief concerning him. Thence home to bed in great pain.


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Rex Gordon  •  Link

The King at Newmarket

From 1666 on, say L&M, Charles regularly attended the Newmarket horse racing meets (spring and autumn), established about this time. He also hunted there.

(Living in the United States, five or six hours lagging the UK, I usually don't have the chance to post the first annotation!)

TerryF  •  Link

"Up with pain...."

Now begins "My great fitt of the Collique" a notation later inserted in the margin of yesterday's Diary entry, as Mary noted. http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1663/10/04/#c72021

(Rex, congratulations on being the first today!! Actually, we in the US have the advantage, since each day's entry's supposed to be posted at the end of Pepys's evening, at 11 PM GMT = 7 PM ET in the US; but this one was several hours late, as Phil has had a week more busy than usual.)

Pedro  •  Link

The King to visit the Headquarters of Racing.

The Rowley Mile at Newmarket is named after the nickname of King Charles II, Old Rowley. Old Rowley was his favourite horse, and many say the horse was a good stud.

For a panoramic view of the present Rowley Mile see…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/suffolk/360/views/newmarke...

(Well done Rex, you are King for the day!)

Patricia  •  Link

Though in great pain, Sam put in a busy day, including two or three hours of walking. Not one to coddle himself. Though if Collique means, as I suspect, constipation, then the walking could only do him good.

Wim van der Meij  •  Link

Bess is having a good time at work in the house. Maybe being a maid or a companion short is suiting her.
Here (in Holland) we have a saying: 'A woman's hand and a horse's tooth should never be idle'.

Roger Arbor  •  Link

Collique? Sounds to me like 'stone' trouble. Poor chap, great pain indeed.

language hat  •  Link

"Sounds to me like ‘stone’ trouble."

I think Sam is very well placed to know exactly what stone trouble feels like! If he said it was collique, I'll take his word for it.

jeannine  •  Link

"and then of my Lord Sandwich sending a messenger to know whether the King intends to come to Newmarket, as is talked, that he may be ready to entertain him at Hinchingbroke."

I can't imagine the preparation for having the King "drop by". I am sure that it would entail him arriving with all of his "groupies" of the day, which could be quite a crowd. In Carteret's biography it details Charles' time in exile in Jersey under Carteret's care. The entourage that accompanied Charles was overwhelming and the pomp and pagentry that gets dumped on the host to the King is mind boggling, so I can imagine that even a simple 'dinner" could involve untold preparation, let alone the stress!

in aqua  •  Link

"...The Rowley Mile at Newmarket is named after the nickname of King Charles ..." I always 'tort' Six Mile Bottom be Charles' hide away.

Joe  •  Link

"my wife all day putting up her hangings in her closett, which she do very prettily herself with her own hand, to my great content"

Wim--I think I agree. We tend to say that if you want to get something done right, you should do it yourself. Pepys doesn't mention _her_ "great content," though.

in aqua  •  Link

Samuell knows when to leave it and not meddle..

in aqua  •  Link

'bin ther and done that' and be 'bludy' 'orrible, needs Morphine to forget, thankful it not available. Colic [collic, collique] LL colicus pertaining to colic, GR Kolon, i.e. acute abdominal pain. Popular term for babies stomache ache.
Sometimes the pain be a predessor to appendicitis, then peritonitis.
Lucky for Sam it not be this. If were a rupture, then the bell dothe toll for thee.
http://www.appendixinfo.com/dtcf/

Patricia  •  Link

Re old sayings, i.e. ‘A woman’s hand and a horse’s tooth should never be idle’, etc.
A wise woman once told me this: Never let a man know you can do a thing, or you'll be doing it yourself from then on. (She said this in reference to cleaning out stove pipes.)

A. De Araujo  •  Link

"collique"
Could be intestinal or renal;since he is having pain on urination and the pain has been going on for a while, methinks it could very well be "stones".

Robert Gertz  •  Link

"...sat an hour or two with Sir W. Pen, talking very largely of Sir J. Minnes’s simplicity and unsteadiness, and of Sir W. Batten’s suspicious dealings."

So? Invest in Holland? One can only hope things aren't going any better at the Hague.

Terry Foreman  •  Link

The entries for 6-11 October constitute one of the best-documented attacks of flatulence in history. Flatulence was fashionable then, as now, as an explanation of symptoms which it has nothing to do with. Burton gave over 50 remedies to 'expel or 'resolve' wind or 'flatuous melancholy': Anatomy of Melancholy (1621), by Robert Burton, Memb. II, Subsect. ii. Symptoms of windy Hypochondriacal Melancholy. https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/b/burton/robert/... Pepys was particularly subject to it, and in 1677, when he wrote a survey of his health he put it second only to his eye-trouble. 'From the furthermost of my memory backward,' he then wrote, '(both before I [was] cutt [of] the stone and since) to this day I have been Subject upon all Cold, especially taken in my feet on an empty Stomach to have the same paines in my Bowels and Bladder and stoppage of Urine, and almost in the same degree as what the stone itselfe gave me. And this soe certaine, and orderly, that I never have a fitt thereof but I can assigne the time and occasion of it, as alsoe of its Cure, Namely; Soe Soone (and not before) as I can break wind behind in a plentifull degree....The preventions which I use...are the keeping of my feet warme, and my Stomach full. (Per L&M footnote)

Terry Foreman  •  Link

language hat on 6 Oct 2006

"Sounds to me like ‘stone’ trouble."

I think Sam is very well placed to know exactly what stone trouble feels like! If he said it was collique, I'll take his word for it.
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language hat, however well placed Sam was "to know exactly what stone trouble feels like" when he suffered from it (before 1657), apparently at some point he ceased to discriminate that from other disorders, as the L&M footnote just above this post shows.

http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1663/10/05/#c53...

Terry Foreman  •  Link

Correction, Pepys's lithotomy (stone removal) was 26 March 1658.

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