Saturday 30 November 1661

In the morning to the Temple, Mr. Philips and Dr. Williams about my several law matters, and so to the Wardrobe to dinner, and after dinner stole away, my Lady not dining out of her chamber, and so home and then to the office all the afternoon, and that being done Sir W. Batten and I and Captain Cock got a bottle of sack into the office, and there we sat late and drank and talked, and so home and to bed.

I am this day in very good health, only got a little cold. The Parliament has sat a pretty while. The old condemned judges of the late King have been brought before the Parliament, and like to be hanged. I am deep in Chancery against Tom Trice, God give a good issue; and myself under great trouble for my late great expending of money vainly, which God stop for the future. This is the last day for the old State’s coyne1 to pass in common payments, but they say it is to pass in publique payments to the King three months still.

  1. In a speech of Lord Lucas in the House of Lords, the 22nd February, 1670-1 (which speech was burnt by the common hangman), he thus adverted to that coin

    It is evident that there is scarcity of money; for all the parliament’s money called breeches (a fit stamp for the coin of the Rump) is wholly vanished—the king’s proclamation and the Dutch have swept it all away, and of his now majesty’s coin there appears but very little; so that in effect we have none left for common use, but a little old lean coined money of the late three former princes. And what supply is preparing for it, my lords? I hear of none, unless it be of copper farthings, and this is the metal that is to vindicate, according to the inscription on it, the dominion of the four seas.

    — Quoted in Penn’s “Memorials of Sir Wm. Penn,” ii. 264.

19 Annotations

RexLeo   Link to this

"...got a bottle of sack into the office, and there we sat late and drank"

sounds like a great place to work!

David Cooper   Link to this

only got a little cold. Does he mean physically or that he had a runny nose? Was this aliment recongnized then?

dirk   Link to this

"This is the last day for the old State's coyne1 to pass in common payments, but they say it is to pass in publique payments to the King three months still.”

As I read this, a type of coin is being withdrawn (replaced?). Does anybody have more info on this?

A. Hamilton   Link to this

"myself under great trouble for my late great expending of money vainly, which God stop for the future"

Delayed reaction? See comments for Nov. 23 & 24.

vicente   Link to this

Coins of the Inter-Regnum [not the revolution [shush never happened] but a period of time missing between the charlies I & II{ or was it really II and II {vacation without pay}}] was a dastardly reminder of a time when it was so straight laced, and not enough raw metals to create new idols in order to create monies, although the Mint was a working full tilt. There be some inflation in the works for foodstuffs. therefore monies needed to circulate like muck [mis quote of Sir F. Bacon]

see currency: for more info
http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/316/
Liza Picard ( Restoration London P144
Foreign coins were in frequent use at this time. A Proclamation, January 29th, 1660-61, declared certain foreign gold and silver coins to be current at certain rates. The rate of the ducatoon was at 5s. 9d

vicente   Link to this

A sin every one can relate too, money it doth burn a weee hole in ones privey purse:"...great expending of money vainly..."

AussieRene   Link to this

Is it just me or is Vicente a tad difficult to understand on occasions?

jseal   Link to this

Sometimes Vicente is even easier to understand than at other times.

tjcarr   Link to this

Dining at the Wardrobe
While I realize that Sam's main purpose to dine at the Wardrobe so often is to visit Lady Mountagu, it seems to me that Sam might be saving money by dining so often at the Wardrobe. Especially as Vincente mentions that "There be some inflation in the works for foodstuffs." I remember reading some time back that in 19th century America that the cost of food could consume 60% of one's income.

Maurie Beck   Link to this

Vicente

Vicente is an All Original.

David Keith Johnson   Link to this

Maestro Vincente IS in the room. He IS listening. You may address your remarks directly to him.

Can't we, Vincente?

Glyn   Link to this

Throughout this period, there was a shortage of small change, as the smallest coins weren't profitable to make (i.e. a quarter of a penny = a "farthing"). One result of this was that many taverns produced their own tokens that could be spent on their food and drink, and were often accepted in the shops in the immediate locality. Technically, this was a serious crime but was overlooked by the authorities as it filled an economic need.

http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/hi...

vicente   Link to this

"He IS listening. You may address your remarks directly to him." a: remove the GR in my address and enticing line in the subject [ham not spam] box. And I will try to unravel my disconnected thoughts.
" by dining so often at the Wardrobe" It might also be, that Sam does not enjoy burnt offerings from the Maids that be rotating and must get use to the Jack {spit for the warmin' up left overs}or split pea soup that be over cooked?.

Peter   Link to this

Professor Stanley Unwin couldn't have put it better.

Michiel van der Leeuw   Link to this

The last day for the old State's coyne
This raises an interesting question: from 1662 coins were no longer hammered, but milled, but most of the milled coins from Charles II date from later years. Of 1662, only a silver crown is known. Is the “the old State's coyne” the hammered coinage, being replaced with more trustworthy coins, or is it the coinage of the Commonwealth? There don’t seem to be many of them left. Did Charles II melt them all down?

Australian Susan   Link to this

"after dinner stole away"
I took this to mean that Sam departed discreetly because he had to get back to work and he didn't want to draw attention to the household that he has around - he seems to be hoping that as "My lady" dined in her own chamber, she might not know he'd even been there. Or did Sam have another reason for not wanting to spend time with "My Lady" ??

Jesse   Link to this

"to the Wardrobe to dinner"

Perhaps there be more powerful gods at the Wardrobe than those apt to receive the 'burnt offerings' at the hearthen altar. ...Sorry.

Pedro.   Link to this

Coinage.

"Gold crowns continued to be issued until 1662 under Charles II, when all the previous denominations of gold coins were replaced by milled guineas."
To see Cromwell's and Charles' crowns

http://www.24carat.co.uk/crownsstoryframe.html

vicente   Link to this

re; Inflation : from the Rev Jocelyn;
No: 17." A very cold day, yet something cheerful; god good to us in the mercies of my family, my child Jane up and down with us again, lord let us live to keep thy word, a dear time for corn. rye 7s. and wheat 8s.6d. per bushel, but few consider the famine of the word, and yet men loath the ordinances of god."
http://linux02.lib.cam.ac.uk/earlscolne//diary/...

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