Wednesday 1 August 1660

Up very early, and by water to Whitehall to my Lord’s, and there up to my Lord’s lodging (Wm. Howe being now ill of the gout at Mr. Pierce’s), and there talked with him about the affairs of the Navy, and how I was now to wait today at the Privy Seal. Commissioner Pett went with me, whom I desired to make my excuse at the office for my absence this day.

Hence to the Privy Seal Office, where I got (by Mr. Mathews’ means) possession of the books and table, but with some expectation of Baron’s bringing of a warrant from the King to have this month.

Nothing done this morning, Baron having spoke to Mr. Woodson and Groome (clerks to Mr. Trumbull of the Signet) to keep all work in their hands till the afternoon, at which time he expected to have his warrant from the King for this month.1

I took at noon Mr. Harper to the Leg in King Street, and did give him his dinner, who did still advise me much to act wholly myself at the Privy Seal, but I told him that I could not, because I had other business to take up my time.

In the afternoon at, the office again, where we had many things to sign; and I went to the Council Chamber, and there got my Lord to sign the first bill, and the rest all myself; but received no money today. After I had signed all, I went with Dick Scobell and Luellin to drink at a bottle beer house in the Strand, and after staying there a while (had sent W. Hewer home before), I took boat and homewards went, and in Fish Street bought a Lobster, and as I had bought it I met with Winter and Mr. Delabarr, and there with a piece of sturgeon of theirs we went to the Sun Tavern in the street and ate them. Late home and to bed.

  1. The clerks of the Privy Seal took the duty of attendance for a month by turns.

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Paul Brewster   Link to this

Mr. Harper -> Mr. Hooper
per L&M: Mr. Hooper was an official of the Privy Seal.

Tim Bray   Link to this

"Bottle beer house?" Any insight on that?

Paul Brewster   Link to this

Bottle Beer House
Not much information on the location but ...
From a site we've referenced before:
http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cs/teaching/sle/Bo...
"1630 Late 1630s, arrival of the beer bottle as viable"

The OED includes this quote:
"1641 French Distill. v. (1651) 122 It will tast as quick as bottle beer."

gerry   Link to this

L&M have Hooper for Harper and the Companion identifies him as William Hooper, a minor canon of Westminster Abbey.

Paul Brewster   Link to this

Diary entry: Mr. Harper (Wheatley) -> Mr. Hooper (L&M)
L&M Footnote to this entry says "An official of the Privy Seal"

On December 29th, 1661 Wheatley will introduce us to Mr. Hooper for the first and only time in the following context "I to the Abbey, and there meeting with Mr. Hooper, he took me in among the quire, and there I sang with them their service."

I think the L&M Companion ("William Hooper, a minor canon of Westminster Abbey.") may point to this other appearance. Without the index and/or the 1661 Volume of L&M to help me, I can't get much further. I cannot tell if L&M believes these are two folks with the same last name (only one of which is mentioned in the L&M Companion) or a single individual with two different jobs (one of which is not mentioned in the companion entry).

gerry   Link to this

Paul, I checked 12/29/61 and (its hardly a spoiler) Sam talks about meeting Mr. Hooper and going with him to the "Quire".From the context I guess it could be taken either way i.e. meeting someone he knew or meeting someone for the first time.

Mary   Link to this

The OED reference to bottle beer
is intriguing. If one takes 'quick' to mean 'alive, lively', this could mean that bottle(d) beer retained a bit more effervescence than the normal sort that was drawn from the keg. As any home-brewer will know, any beer bottled slightly too early can be very lively indeed ... sometimes dangerously so!

vincent   Link to this

Reading this again I do find it strange that poor Liz does not get to enjoy the finer foods:
Quire I presumed is a choir where the warbling is done, Now that the High Church is the Rage, Singing and c(H)anting is allowed. The change in attitudes are remarkable?
Maybe Beer in a bottle is made very local?, may be in the back yard (beyond the Privy) there fore no cask needed.

Mary   Link to this

Bottle beer again.
My impression is that Pepys is here making a distinction between the ordinary ale- or beer-house and this one, which serves bottle beer. As for brewing habits, see useful background information under food/drink/beer.

Glyn   Link to this

Does this mean that Mr Woodson and Mr Groome were finishing their month's work, and could have handed it over to Pepys that morning, but were asked by their friend Baron to delay things until the afternoon so he could get his hands on the warrant and that month's job? If so, it doesn't seemed to have worked. If it had succeeded, then presumably Pepys would have had no work there for at least a month.

Paul Brewster   Link to this

Does this mean that Mr Woodson and Mr Groome were finishing their month's work?
I don’t think so. My surmise (and it’s just that) is that the Signet and the Privy Seal were two steps in a multi-step process. Baron was trying to get W and G (SP specifically identifies them as belonging to the Signet Office) to hold up any work they would have normally passed on to the office of Privy Seal until he (Baron) had an opportunity to get his hands on the Privy Seal itself and thus get all the revenue that would normally have come to the clerk for an entire month. What seems clear is that this tactic, if it was even tried, didn’t seem to have any mentioned impact on SP’s revenue.

vincent   Link to this

The Signet is in the hands of the Chancellor and you need the signet ring to get the impression on the wax for validity and of course that has a value.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"to Whitehall to my Lord’s, and there up to my Lord’s lodging"

The L&M Companion says of Mountagu's London quarters at this time: "he had an official residence ["my Lord's lodging" methinks] in Whitehall Palace, from 1653 until his death, which included part (or probably all) of the gatehouse of the King St. Gate, and rooms adjacent to it on both sides of the street. He also had official lodgings (1660-8) at the Wardrobe...."

Terry Foreman   Link to this

Paul Brewster and gerry, the Index shows two Hoopers (no given names), with the different roles as you posted here.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

"Wm. Howe being now ill of the gout" -- there will be a lot of gout in the diary and people who drink alcohol..

Gout is caused by having higher-than-normal levels of uric acid in your body. This may occur if:

- Your body makes too much uric acid
- Your body has a hard time getting rid of uric acid

If too much uric acid builds up in the fluid around the joints (synovial fluid), uric acid crystals form. These crystals cause the joint to swell and become inflamed.

The exact cause is unknown. Gout may run in families. The problem is more common in men, in women after menopause, and people who drink alcohol.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH000...

Bill   Link to this

"The problem is more common in ... people who drink alcohol."

We seem to have no lack of those people.

Dick Wilson   Link to this

The Lobster is not necessarily "fancy food", which Sam is failing to share with Elizabeth. In New England at this period, there were clauses in the indentures of servants, that said they would not be fed Lobster more than twice a week. Whether it was fancy food or not depended on local availability. I assume the lobster was alive, which means fresh!
Bottled Beer: I had no idea that this blessing was available at so early a date. What did the bottles look like? Who made them, and how? Presumably they were corked, not capped. Portuguese cork? If not, who supplied the cork? Did the house have an "Off License"? (i.e. take home beer) If you drank there, presumably they would re-use the bottles on site, and they might even wash off the outsides of the bottles. Did they charge you extra if you broke one?

Terry Foreman   Link to this

Meanwhile on this day in the New World in Montauk, East Hampton, Nassau Island
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=41.038333,-71.9...

- On the first day of August, 1660, and after the death of the Sachem Wyandanch, his widow, called the Squa-Sachem,
- and her son, united in a deed of confirmation to the original purchasers for the lands of Montauk ; and described by
- them as extending from sea to sea, and from the easternmost parts thereof to the bounds of Easthampton, for the
- consideration of one hundred pounds, to be paid in ten equal annual payments in Indian corn or good wampum at six
- to a penny. http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC01394364&...

Background: Montauk derives its name from the Montaukett tribe, an Algonquian-speaking tribe who lived in the area.
In 1653, Narragansetts under Ninigret attacked and burned the Montaukett village, killing 30 and capturing one of Chief Wyandanch's daughters. The daughter was recovered with the aid of Lion Gardiner (who in turn was given a large portion of Smithtown, New York in appreciation). The Montauketts, ravaged by smallpox and fearing extermination by the Narragansetts, were provided temporary refuge by white settlers in East Hampton....Further purchase agreements were entered into in 1661, 1672 and 1686 which, among other things, allowed a group of Easthampton townsmen to graze cattle on the Montaukett lands...As a result...Montauk...is considered to be the oldest cattle ranch in the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk,_New_York...

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