Wednesday 10 June 1668

(Wednesday).

Up, and walked to the Hospitall: —[Christ’s Hospital]— very large and fine; and pictures of founders, and the History of the Hospitall; and is said to be worth; 700l. per annum; and that Mr. Foly was here lately to see how their lands were settled; and here, in old English, the story of the occasion of it, and a rebus at the bottom.
So did give the poor, which they would not take but in their box, 2s. 6d.
So to the inn, and paid the reckoning and what not, 13s.
So forth towards Hungerford, led this good way by our landlord, one Heart, an old but very civil and well-spoken man, more than I ever heard, of his quality. He gone, we forward; and I vexed at my people’s not minding the way. So come to Hungerford, where very good trouts, eels, and crayfish. Dinner: a mean town.
At dinner there, 12s.
Thence set out with a guide, who saw us to Newmarket-heath, and then left us, 3s. 6d.
So all over the Plain by the sight of the steeple, the Plain high and low, to Salisbury, by night; but before I come to the town, I saw a great fortification, and there ’light, and to it and in it; and find it prodigious, so as to frighten me to be in it all alone at that time of night, it being dark. I understand, since, it to be that, that is called Old Sarum. Come to the George Inne, where lay in a silk bed; and very good diet. To supper; then to bed.

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Terry Foreman  •  Link

"Newmarket-heath"

L&M say a mistake; possibly Black Heath, near Bedford, Wiltshire.

cgs  •  Link

Newmarket?
The heath could be the site and old name of the modern Newberry? racing area, name change due to the Suffolk famous race track of Charles 2 ?
This heath or area has long racing history, need local knowledge, lots of famous stables with good Royal breeding, need an expert to find name connection.

Mary  •  Link

Do you mean Newbury, Berkshire?

That town could easily lie on the Pepys's westward route. However, so far as I can see it didn't become a major horse-racing centre until the 19th century.

tonyt  •  Link

It is certainly possible that Pepys could have gone from Oxford to Salisbury via Newbury - but if so he would have got to Newbury before Hungerford not afterwards.

Interestingly, Pepys route would have taken him within a few miles of Stonehenge. Perhaps he had a visit in mind when he bought the book the previous day.

Carl in Boston  •  Link

"and find it prodigious, so as to frighten me to be in it all alone at that time of night"
Old Sarum is a great crossing point of Ley Lines marking the ancient prehistoric pathways of Britain. Some do say there are ghosts who walk abroad up and down the coffin roads in the area. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Robert Gertz  •  Link

So did Bess not come or was she too scared to probe the mysteries of the Old Sarum fortification?

language hat  •  Link

I like the use of "and what not"; I didn't realize it was that old.

Terry Foreman  •  Link

"...here, in old English, the story of the occasion of it, and a rebus at the bottom."

I wonder what the rebus was/is (L&M said it still existed and was reproduced in Ashmole and in Little).

JWB  •  Link

The following is the rebus noticed by Pepys: "V.A.B.I.N.D.O.N.R.F.I. Take the first letter of youre foure fader, with A., the worker of Wer, and I. and N. the colore of an asse; set them togeder, and tel me yf you can, what it is than. Richard Fannande, Irenmonger, hathe made this Tabul, and here in the yere of King Herry the Sexte, XXVI'"."

Baybrooke & Wheatley

http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq…

Chris Squire  •  Link

‘what-not | whatnot, n.
1. a. Usually and preferably as two words /ˈhwɒtˈnɒt/ : Anything whatever; everything; ‘anything and everything’; ‘all sorts of things’: mostly, now only, as final item of an enumeration: = anything else, various things besides; ‘whatever you like to call it’. (Also occas. of persons.)
. . 1576 A. Fleming tr. Isocrates in Panoplie Epist. 185 His minde was so altered, his conditions so changed, and what not in him so alienated.
1663 S. Pepys Diary 21 Dec. (1971) IV. 428 The strange variety of people‥bakers, brewers, butchers, draymen, and what not.
?1720 Pope Corr. (1956) II. 24 Our evening Walks in the Park, our amusing Voyages on the Water, our philosophical Suppers, our Lectures, our Dissertations, our Gravities, our Reveries, our Fooleries, our what not?’ [OED]

Tony Eldridge  •  Link

I believe the origin of 'whatnot' is more likely to be 'wot not', i.e. know not. Wot is an archaic form of 'know', occurring in "A garden is a lovesome thing, God wot" for example.

language hat  •  Link

No, that's clearly not the case. No one would have spelled "wot" as "what" in the 16th or 17th century.

Chris Squire  •  Link

‘Etymology: Properly an elliptical interrogative phrase (see quot. 1540 at sense 1a below
. . 1540 tr. G. Gnapheus Comedye of Acolastus v. ii. sig. Yiijv, Excesse of fleshely pleasures‥hath taken awaye all thynges‥my goodes or substance, my name .i. my good name and fame, my frendes, my glory .i. my renoume or estimation, what not? .i. what thyng is it that she hath not taken from me?’ [OED]

Tony Eldridge  •  Link

Language Hat, I wasn't suggesting that 'wot' was in use in the 17th century. The clue is in the word 'origin'.

Terry Foreman  •  Link

"I saw a great fortification, and there ‘light, and to it and in it; and find it prodigious, so as to frighten me to be in it all alone at that time of night, it being dark. I understand, since, it to be that, that is called Old Sarum."

L&M note there still remained fragments of the walls of the medieval fortress and city as well as early Iron Age earthworks. Salisbury (New Sarum), 1 1/4 miles to the south, had been founded mostly in the 13th century.

Terry Foreman  •  Link

"Come to the George Inne,"

An old and large inn on the e. side of High St.: Sir R. Hoare, Hist. med. Wilts. (1822-37), iv. 598. (L&M)

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

June 10. 1668
The King to the Duke of York.

Having appointed a ship to convey to Smyrna Sir Dan. Harvey, appointed Ambassador to the Grand Seignior,
requests him to order the receiving on board the retinue of the said Ambassador, being 26 persons,
and the laying in victuals to defray them during their voyage.
[S.P. Dom., Entry Book 31, f. 8.]

The Harveys were Royalist sympathizers during the Civil Wars, while the Montagus were prominent supporters of Parliament. This made Daniel Harvey's 1651 marriage to Elizabeth Montagu an important connection as she was the daughter of the 2nd Lord Montagu of Boughton.

Daniel Harvey was elected Member of Parliament for Surrey in the Convention Parliament, knighted in May 1660 and appointed custodian of Richmond Park.

Most importantly, Charles II renewed the Levant Company's monopolistic charter in 1661.

Ambassadors presented their credentials at the Topkapı Palace in Constantinople to Sultan Mahomet Chan IV.

Sir Daniel Harvey MP’s wife, Elizabeth Montagu Harvey, did not accompany him. She was a significant figure at Court in her own right and a renowned society hostess; she was a close friend of Charles II's mistress Lady Castlemaine (who stayed with her in 1667 during her quarrel with Charles), although they later fell out.
One suggestion is Sir Daniel Harvey MP's appointment as Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire was to remove an inconvenient husband.[5]
5. Jordan, Dan, Walsh, Michael (2016). The King's Bed: Sex, Power and the Court of Charles II. Abacus. p. 161. ISBN 1408704900.

Sir Daniel Harvey MP was appointed in January 1668 and arrived in December accompanied by his secretary the playwright, George Etherege.
His predecessor was Heneage Finch, 3rd Earl of Winchilsea; Harvey's sister, (another Elizabeth), was married to his cousin Heneage Finch, Earl of Nottingham.

Sir Daniel Harvey MP died in Constantinople on 26 August 1672 at the age of 40 and was later buried at Hempstead, Essex.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/5180/#dis…

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June 10. 1668
Treasury Chamber.
Sir George Downing to Williamson.

The Treasury Commissioners desire you to insert in the Gazette that process will be issued against all collectors and receivers of the Royal and Additional Aid who detain money in their hands after 10 July,
and that they are liable to a penalty of 12 per cent., under the Act passed the last session for the better payment of money received for the use of the Crown.

Their lordships also wish their bargain with the vintners to be printed, at request of the vintners.
[S.P. Dom., Car II. 241, No. 94.]

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

"So come to Hungerford, where very good trouts, eels, and crayfish. Dinner: a mean town."

Having just researched a bit about Hungerford, and looked at some photos, it doesn't sound mean to me. AHHHH ... you didn't dine at the Bear Inn, did you?
If you did, maybe you mentioned being James' right hand man?
That might have resulted in you being run you out of town for sending all those hungry, sick Dutch sailors to stay at the Popham place during the recent war.

You've got to be careful about what you tell people.

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

One of the Salisbury innkeepers at the time of Pepys' visit was the notorious highwayman named William Davis, "the Golden Farmer". For 40 years he stopped stagecoaches on Salisbury Plain, and robbed everyone from Quaker women to the Duchess of Albermarle.

http://www.executedtoday.com/2015/12/20/1689-will…

The noises Pepys heard in Old Sarum might not have been ghosts ...

Tonyel  •  Link

"Wot" and "What"
I'm reading the diary for the second time and remember the little spat I had with Language Hat ten years ago.
It turns out that we were both wrong because Sam used 'wot' to mean 'know' at least twice (although I have not kept a note of the dates).

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