"Does anyone have a clear idea of what Sam's house looked like?”
From David Quidnunc, in the Background info (aka Encyclopedia) “In the diary, Pepys sometimes used different names for the same room, but here's a list provided in Liza Picard's ‘Restoration London.’ In the order in which Pepys mentions them, ‘Pepys seems to have had’: http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo… but, alas, no picture and no indication of which floor the rooms were on. My sense is that now there are 3 floors and a basement: what think y’all?
Glyn's suggestion is borne out by the entry of Monday 22 April 1661: KING'S GOING FROM YE TOWER TO WHITE HALL
Footnote 2: “The members of the Navy Office appear to have chosen Mr. Young's house [in Cornhill] on account of its nearness to the second triumphal arch, situated near the Royal Exchange, which was dedicated to the Navy.” http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Today's entry strikes me as telling us little about what Sam accomplished TODAY; much more about his discontents and distractions therefrom by frauds and books during the the course of a day bracketed by pleasures at what he had done earlier -- at the state of his house, and the letter from Coventry.
Presbyterian preachers and the Act of Uniformity of 1662: roots of the great discontent.
The act was related to a series of so-called "Test Acts" "English penal laws that imposed various civil disabilities on Roman Catholics and nonconformists" including Presbyterians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test…
There is the view of the Act of Uniformity of 1662 of Australian Susan on Thu 11 Aug 2005: Book of Common Prayer I think the fact that the first thing in the 1662 BCP is the relevant Act of Parliament in its entirety says it all - this is much more to do with legalities, outward behaviour, treasonable activities and so forth than how one worshipped God http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Methinks spoken like one who has worshipped as a modern Anglican, which I, a Presbyterian, have; but neither of us subject to "An Act For the Uniformity of Publick Prayers; and Administration of Sacraments, and other Rites and Ceremonies: And for the establishing the Form of Making, Ordaining, and Consecrating Bishops, Priests, and Deacons in the Church of England. XIV. Carol. II.[1762]" which requires that every one who seeks to retain a benefice,
"openly; publickly, and solemnly read the Morning and Evening Prayer appointed to be read by, and according to the said Book of Common Prayer at the times thereby appointed, and after such reading thereof shall openly and publickly, before the Congregation there assembled, declare his unfeigned assent, and consent to the use of all things in the said Book contained and prescribed, in these words, and no other;
"I, A. B. Do here declare my unfeigned assent, and consent to all, and every thing contained, and prescribed in, and by the Book intituled [sic], The Book of Common Prayer and Administration of the Sacraments, and other Rites, and Ceremonies of the Church, according to the use of the Church of England; together with the Psalter, or Psalms of David, Pointed as they are to be sung, or said in Churches, and the form, or manner of Making, Ordaining, and Consecrating of Bishops, Priests, and Deacons;..." http://www.eskimo.com/~lhowell/bc…
Now this, Australian Susan, is indeed to do, actually dictated "how one worshipped God."
Moreover, there is the related question: What is a "Presbyterian"?
In the earliest church, to simplify, the two forms of governance were by presbyteroi ("elders," who heard appeals as a committee, as a Jewish village in the ancient world was), and by an episkopos ("overseer" = ET "bishop," as an urban and more Romanized community was): hence, Episcopal and Presbyterian forms of governance. (for the latter see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pres… ).
Some of the Presbyterian divines in 1662 no doubt had trouble serving under a bishop.
Good point, Leslie Katz: each man's living was "expropriated" (often to be given to a lesser man, as we have seen attested), whatever his individual response to the mandate -- to "put off" the BCP, retire, emigrate, evangelize, do what we would call "social work," or seek another line of work altogether.
"Quakers...that would have blown up the prison in Southwark"
L&M note: "About 80 Quakers had been incarcerated in the White Lion prison, Southwark, for attending a conventicle on 3 August….They were released in the following January….The reported plot has not been traced; if it existed its authors were more likely to have been the Anabaptists who were in Southwark prison than the Quakers. The two sects were often confused” — at least by others, I presume, and maybe inter se: neither was hierarchical.
Sir John Winter has a contract to harvest the Forest of Dean's trees, surely the "vorbid" old growth, large trees, ergo good for, say, masts.
L&M & OED tell us what "forbid" means here, but is 'vorbid' now used to OBSCURE the earlier meaning?
Recall Fri. 20 June (NOT referenced at "Winter, Sir John"): "Up by four or five o'clock, and to the office, and there drew up the agreement between the King and Sir John Winter about the Forrest of Deane; and having done it, he came himself (I did not know him to be the Queen's Secretary before, but observed him to be a man of fine parts); and we read it, and both liked it well. That done, I turned to the Forrest of Deane, in Speede's Mapps, and there he showed me how it lies; and the Lea-bayly, with the great charge of carrying it to Lydny, and many other things worth my knowing; and I do perceive that I am very short in my business by not knowing many times the geographical part of my business.” http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
So Pepys is very impressed with the man, what he knows, how he works.
Pauline from the L&M Companion: “He and his father were the principal developers of iron and timber in the Forest of Dean. He bought 18,000 acres in 1640, but was deprived of it as a papist in 1642. In 1662 he was granted an eleven-yer lease, but by 1668 the contract lapsed through his failure to deliver the agreed quantities of shiptimber. He had an interest in all sorts of technology. Pepys like[d] his "good discourse" (though not his timber). But his Catholicism, combined with his expert knowledge of gunpowder, made him an object of mistrust.”
AND a new link by JWB shows Sir John’s career exploiting the Forest of Deane more complicated, extreme, and exciting than that; now with the protection of the QM, with whom he returned from France, and a contract that, true to form, he will exceed: “By 1663 Sir John had re-established control over much of the area and allegedly had as many as 500 woodcutters working in the Forest. Somewhat inevitably by 1667 his controversial over activity in timber cutting was again a matter for Parliament.” JWB on Sun 14 Aug 2005: Wintour family & Forest of Dean, The Forest of Dean History Society: http://www.fweb.org.uk/dean/deanh…
Keen analysis, A. Hamilton. Australian Susan quotes that website's definition of "vorbid". OED: "Forbid, ppl. a. Obs. = Forbidden, Forbid tree (see quot. 1662)...1662 Pepys Diary 14 Aug. Many trees there left at a great fall in Edward the Third's time, by the name of forbid-trees, which at this day are called vorbid trees.” No separate listing of “vorbid.” What if we supposed that “vorbid” is indeed a corruption over time of “forbid,” as Pepys himself suggests, and the website Aussie Susan quotes was not knowing of the definition of “forbid” as it applied to a tree still-standing after St Maury's Storm?
This isn't in the Forest of Deane, but "In 1362, when a violent storm blew through Norwich, it toppled the Cathedral's second wooden spire, sending it crashing the Presbytery roof of the Cathedral's east end. The Norman clerestory was totally destroyed and needed rebuilding, which it was, but in the Perpendicular style, by Bishop Percy." http://www.easterncathedrals.org.…
Australian Susan, Upnor Castle is also named in the site you cite: "Wages of shipkeepers, clerks, watchmen and the gunners at Upnor Castle, repair and maintenance of stores and wharves would be met under the...system [in place before 1579]. Dry-docking and heavy repairs would be seen to by the navy board."
"vast heaps of cinders which they find...being necessary for the making of iron at this day; and without which they cannot work:"
L&M note: "Slags of Roman and medieval bloomeries [charcoal-heated smelters, typically in the form of small pots], which had been only slightly smelted, could still be used both as ore and flux...."
"Woolwich...is a town in south-east London, England in the London Borough of Greenwich, on the south side of the River Thames, [...] "Its history is strongly associated with Britain's military past. It was home to the Woolwich Dockyard (founded in 1512), the Royal Arsenal (dating back to 1671), the Royal Military Academy (1741) and the Royal Horse Artillery (1793); it still retains an army base and the Royal Artillery Museum. [...] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wool…
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About Saturday 16 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"Does anyone have a clear idea of what Sam's house looked like?”
From David Quidnunc, in the Background info (aka Encyclopedia) “In the diary, Pepys sometimes used different names for the same room, but here's a list provided in Liza Picard's ‘Restoration London.’ In the order in which Pepys mentions them, ‘Pepys seems to have had’: http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo…
but, alas, no picture and no indication of which floor the rooms were on. My sense is that now there are 3 floors and a basement: what think y’all?
About Monday 14 July 1662
Terry F. • Link
Glyn's suggestion is borne out by the entry of Monday 22 April 1661: KING'S GOING FROM YE TOWER TO WHITE HALL
Footnote 2: “The members of the Navy Office appear to have chosen Mr. Young's house [in Cornhill] on account of its nearness to the second triumphal arch, situated near the Royal Exchange, which was dedicated to the Navy.” http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
About Saturday 16 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"my uncle...begun to discourse about our difference with Mr. Young about Flaggs"
How did Mr. Young get to Sam's Uncle Wight?
About Friday 15 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"I seemed very pleasant"
Today's entry strikes me as telling us little about what Sam accomplished TODAY; much more about his discontents and distractions therefrom by frauds and books during the the course of a day bracketed by pleasures at what he had done earlier -- at the state of his house, and the letter from Coventry.
About Friday 15 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Presbyterian preachers and the Act of Uniformity of 1662: roots of the great discontent.
The act was related to a series of so-called "Test Acts" "English penal laws that imposed various civil disabilities on Roman Catholics and nonconformists" including Presbyterians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test…
There is the view of the Act of Uniformity of 1662 of Australian Susan on Thu 11 Aug 2005:
Book of Common Prayer
I think the fact that the first thing in the 1662 BCP is the relevant Act of Parliament in its entirety says it all - this is much more to do with legalities, outward behaviour, treasonable activities and so forth than how one worshipped God
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Methinks spoken like one who has worshipped as a modern Anglican, which I, a Presbyterian, have; but neither of us subject to "An Act For the Uniformity of Publick Prayers; and Administration of Sacraments, and other Rites and Ceremonies: And for the establishing the Form of Making, Ordaining, and Consecrating Bishops, Priests, and Deacons in the Church of England. XIV. Carol. II.[1762]" which requires that every one who seeks to retain a benefice,
"openly; publickly, and solemnly read the Morning and Evening Prayer appointed to be read by, and according to the said Book of Common Prayer at the times thereby appointed, and after such reading thereof shall openly and publickly, before the Congregation there assembled, declare his unfeigned assent, and consent to the use of all things in the said Book contained and prescribed, in these words, and no other;
"I, A. B. Do here declare my unfeigned assent, and consent to all, and every thing contained, and prescribed in, and by the Book intituled [sic], The Book of Common Prayer and Administration of the Sacraments, and other Rites, and Ceremonies of the Church, according to the use of the Church of England; together with the Psalter, or Psalms of David, Pointed as they are to be sung, or said in Churches, and the form, or manner of Making, Ordaining, and Consecrating of Bishops, Priests, and Deacons;..."
http://www.eskimo.com/~lhowell/bc…
Now this, Australian Susan, is indeed to do, actually dictated "how one worshipped God."
Moreover, there is the related question: What is a "Presbyterian"?
In the earliest church, to simplify, the two forms of governance were by presbyteroi ("elders," who heard appeals as a committee, as a Jewish village in the ancient world was), and by an episkopos ("overseer" = ET "bishop," as an urban and more Romanized community was): hence, Episcopal and Presbyterian forms of governance. (for the latter see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pres… ).
Some of the Presbyterian divines in 1662 no doubt had trouble serving under a bishop.
About Friday 15 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Good point, Leslie Katz: each man's living was "expropriated" (often to be given to a lesser man, as we have seen attested), whatever his individual response to the mandate -- to "put off" the BCP, retire, emigrate, evangelize, do what we would call "social work," or seek another line of work altogether.
About Friday 15 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"many Presbyterian ministers in town, who, I hear, will give up all."
L&M note: "Fifty ministers in London and Middlesex were expropriated.”
Hmmm: neither “resigned” nor “ejected” nor “extruded”: many terms, no one of them adequate for the many things that occurred
About Friday 15 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"Quakers...that would have blown up the prison in Southwark"
L&M note: "About 80 Quakers had been incarcerated in the White Lion prison, Southwark, for attending a conventicle on 3 August….They were released in the following January….The reported plot has not been traced; if it existed its authors were more likely to have been the Anabaptists who were in Southwark prison than the Quakers. The two sects were often confused” — at least by others, I presume, and maybe inter se: neither was hierarchical.
About Thursday 14 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
(Odd redundancy in my last; but the wind worried me 'bout my 'ead.)
About Thursday 14 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
(Odd redundancy in my last; but it was a wind to fell trees.)
About Thursday 14 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"many trees there left at a great fall in Edward the Third's time”
Weathering the gust of demurrals by Andy and A. Hamilton demurring, L&M stubbornly cling to their “ats”.
(Sir John seems the kind of fellow who would hire illiterate woodsmen — deniability, you know — with orders to take on any big ‘uns “chop-chop.”)
About Thursday 14 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Sir John Winter has a contract to harvest the Forest of Dean's trees, surely the "vorbid" old growth, large trees, ergo good for, say, masts.
L&M & OED tell us what "forbid" means here, but is 'vorbid' now used to OBSCURE the earlier meaning?
Recall Fri. 20 June (NOT referenced at "Winter, Sir John"): "Up by four or five o'clock, and to the office, and there drew up the agreement between the King and Sir John Winter about the Forrest of Deane; and having done it, he came himself (I did not know him to be the Queen's Secretary before, but observed him to be a man of fine parts); and we read it, and both liked it well. That done, I turned to the Forrest of Deane, in Speede's Mapps, and there he showed me how it lies; and the Lea-bayly, with the great charge of carrying it to Lydny, and many other things worth my knowing; and I do perceive that I am very short in my business by not knowing many times the geographical part of my business.”
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
So Pepys is very impressed with the man, what he knows, how he works.
Pauline from the L&M Companion: “He and his father were the principal developers of iron and timber in the Forest of Dean. He bought 18,000 acres in 1640, but was deprived of it as a papist in 1642. In 1662 he was granted an eleven-yer lease, but by 1668 the contract lapsed through his failure to deliver the agreed quantities of shiptimber. He had an interest in all sorts of technology. Pepys like[d] his "good discourse" (though not his timber). But his Catholicism, combined with his expert knowledge of gunpowder, made him an object of mistrust.”
AND a new link by JWB shows Sir John’s career exploiting the Forest of Deane more complicated, extreme, and exciting than that; now with the protection of the QM, with whom he returned from France, and a contract that, true to form, he will exceed: “By 1663 Sir John had re-established control over much of the area and allegedly had as many as 500 woodcutters working in the Forest. Somewhat inevitably by 1667 his controversial over activity in timber cutting was again a matter for Parliament.” JWB on Sun 14 Aug 2005: Wintour family & Forest of Dean, The Forest of Dean History Society:
http://www.fweb.org.uk/dean/deanh…
About Thursday 14 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Keen analysis, A. Hamilton. Australian Susan quotes that website's definition of "vorbid". OED: "Forbid, ppl. a. Obs. = Forbidden, Forbid tree (see quot. 1662)...1662 Pepys Diary 14 Aug. Many trees there left at a great fall in Edward the Third's time, by the name of forbid-trees, which at this day are called vorbid trees.” No separate listing of “vorbid.”
What if we supposed that “vorbid” is indeed a corruption over time of “forbid,” as Pepys himself suggests, and the website Aussie Susan quotes was not knowing of the definition of “forbid” as it applied to a tree still-standing after St Maury's Storm?
About Thursday 14 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"13 January 1362, Great Britain: A great sou'wester gale known as St Maury's Storm, strikes Britian [sic]." http://www.islandnet.com/~see/wea…
Many vorbid trees that year.
About Thursday 14 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
This isn't in the Forest of Deane, but "In 1362, when a violent storm blew through Norwich, it toppled the Cathedral's second wooden spire, sending it crashing the Presbytery roof of the Cathedral's east end. The Norman clerestory was totally destroyed and needed rebuilding, which it was, but in the Perpendicular style, by Bishop Percy." http://www.easterncathedrals.org.…
About Thursday 14 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Australian Susan, Upnor Castle is also named in the site you cite: "Wages of shipkeepers, clerks, watchmen and the gunners at Upnor Castle, repair and maintenance of stores and wharves would be met under the...system [in place before 1579]. Dry-docking and heavy repairs would be seen to by the navy board."
About Thursday 14 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"many trees there left at a great fall in Edward the Third's time, by the name of forbid-trees, which at this day are called vorbid trees.”
L&M note: “A ‘forbid’ was an order of the Mines Law Court: the miners were not to cut down these trees. The gale was that of 1362.”
(got this one right the first time, I think)
About Thursday 14 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"vast heaps of cinders which they find...being necessary for the making of iron at this day; and without which they cannot work:"
L&M note: "Slags of Roman and medieval bloomeries [charcoal-heated smelters, typically in the form of small pots], which had been only slightly smelted, could still be used both as ore and flux...."
About Thursday 14 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"vast heaps of cinders which they find...being necessary for the making of iron at this day; and without which they cannot work:"
L&M note: "Slags of Roman and medieval bloomeries, which had been only slightly smelted, could still be used both as ore and flux...."
About Woolwich
Terry F. • Link
Woolwich
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Woolwich...is a town in south-east London, England in the London Borough of Greenwich, on the south side of the River Thames, [...]
"Its history is strongly associated with Britain's military past. It was home to the Woolwich Dockyard (founded in 1512), the Royal Arsenal (dating back to 1671), the Royal Military Academy (1741) and the Royal Horse Artillery (1793); it still retains an army base and the Royal Artillery Museum. [...] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wool…