L & M reads, "if I can but get them to have a copy taken of them for my future use" which leaves one wondering who the first "them" refers to. His clerks? Wheatley has the word "time" in place of the first "them" which seems to clarify the meaning as the original letters must be returned the next day, but may not be an accurate reading of Pepy's text, of course.
I remember well my old Latin teacher illustrating the different uses of "shall" and "will". First, we have the normal future use expressed by a drowning man: 1. I shall drown and no-one will save me! Now invert them and you have the suicidal man: 2. I will drown and no-one shall save me! You can clearly hear the determination to die in Sentence 2. I hope such nuances in English will never be lost tho' I suspect they will, unfortunately.
Mr Pepys, Captain Rolt, and Knepp certainly enjoyed themselves in the tavern and our hero appears to have spent sixteen shillings and sixpence on drink. A considerable sum. I hope the others bought their rounds!
Mr Pepys spends one shilling on Mrs Martin and does what he would with her. Then during or after his walk he spends one shilling on a ribbon. I wonder who that was for?
Mr Pepys does not want to be seen by Creed at the playhouse but quite content to go drinking with him in the evening. I wonder if they both managed to avoid mentioning the performance of The Maid's Tragedy they had both seen, but apparently unaware of each other's presence. Oh to have been a fly on the wall of the Cock alehouse!
As an inhabitant of Enfield I would very much like to know where exactly Mr Pepys and company took their refreshment in Enfield on this "foul, bad day". Does anyone know?
One of the contributors describes "Beauty Retire" as "haunting" but to my ears it sounded heavy and ponderous. However my musical knowledge and maybe appreciation is very limited!
The Adventures of five hours must be a superb play indeed, if by its side Othello "seems a mean thing." I am afraid I have never heard of Sir Samuel Tuke's magnificent comedy nor its author, sad to say. Posterity has valued Shakespeare's Othello rather higher on the scale of dramatic masterpieces than Tuke's Adventures, however. I look forward to Sam's next literary bon mots!
Could someone who understands such matters perhaps consult Deane's manuscripts in Pepy's library in Cambridge and report back? Then the mystery of the method Deane used could be cleared up rather than argued about.
Phoenix asked whether Pepys had ever shown real affection for anyone other than himself. I noted Mr P's comments on Mr. Hill [" a man I love mightily"] earlier in March 1666 [02/03/1666] on Hill's departure for Portugal. There seems to be a note of genuine sadness. "..and endeed I am heartily sorry for Mr. Hill's leaving us - for he is a very worthy gentleman, as most I know - God give him a good voyage and success in his business. Thus we parted, and my wife and I to bed, heavy for the loss of our friend."
Notice how Sam includes his wife in his sentiments of loss.
On his frosty ride to Erith with Mr.Tooker I don't suppose Mr.P had much to say about his molestation of Mr. T's daughter[?] Mrs. Fr. Tooker three days previously["I sent for little Mrs. Fr. Tooker; and after they were gone, I sat dallying with her an hour, doing what I would with my hand about her.." Did Mr.P feel comfortable with Mr.Tooker, one wonders, or has he forgotten all about it?
[This is my first annotation. I began reading the diary from the beginning last year but only discovered this web-site having reached 1665.]
Comments
Second Reading
About Sunday 13 September 1668
Ivan • Link
L & M reads, "if I can but get them to have a copy taken of them for my future use" which leaves one wondering who the first "them" refers to. His clerks? Wheatley has the word "time" in place of the first "them" which seems to clarify the meaning as the original letters must be returned the next day, but may not be an accurate reading of Pepy's text, of course.
About Tuesday 8 September 1668
Ivan • Link
I remember well my old Latin teacher illustrating the different uses of "shall" and "will". First, we have the normal future use expressed by a drowning man:
1. I shall drown and no-one will save me!
Now invert them and you have the suicidal man:
2. I will drown and no-one shall save me!
You can clearly hear the determination to die in Sentence 2. I hope such nuances in English will never be lost tho' I suspect they will, unfortunately.
About Friday 17 April 1668
Ivan • Link
Mr Pepys, Captain Rolt, and Knepp certainly enjoyed themselves in the tavern and our hero appears to have spent sixteen shillings and sixpence on drink. A considerable sum. I hope the others bought their rounds!
About Thursday 16 April 1668
Ivan • Link
Mr Pepys spends one shilling on Mrs Martin and does what he would with her. Then during or after his walk he spends one shilling on a ribbon. I wonder who that was for?
About Wednesday 15 April 1668
Ivan • Link
Mr Pepys does not want to be seen by Creed at the playhouse but quite content to go drinking with him in the evening. I wonder if they both managed to avoid mentioning the performance of The Maid's Tragedy they had both seen, but apparently unaware of each other's presence. Oh to have been a fly on the wall of the Cock alehouse!
About Tuesday 7 April 1668
Ivan • Link
Why does Mr P hate face paint so much? It seems almost pathological.
About Monday 7 October 1667
Ivan • Link
As an inhabitant of Enfield I would very much like to know where exactly Mr Pepys and company took their refreshment in Enfield on this "foul, bad day". Does anyone know?
About Samuel Pepys' Playlist on BBC Radio 4
Ivan • Link
One of the contributors describes "Beauty Retire" as "haunting" but to my ears it sounded heavy and ponderous. However my musical knowledge and maybe appreciation is very limited!
About Monday 20 August 1666
Ivan • Link
The Adventures of five hours must be a superb play indeed, if by its side Othello "seems a mean thing." I am afraid I have never heard of Sir Samuel Tuke's magnificent comedy nor its author, sad to say. Posterity has valued Shakespeare's Othello rather higher on the scale of dramatic masterpieces than Tuke's Adventures, however. I look forward to Sam's next literary bon mots!
About Friday 17 August 1666
Ivan • Link
"making an end of The Adventures of five houres, - which when all is done, is the best play that ever I read in my life."
Literary criticism is not Sam's forte, is it? His judgement of plays he reads and sees is often very eccentric to say the least.
About Saturday 19 May 1666
Ivan • Link
Could someone who understands such matters perhaps consult Deane's manuscripts in Pepy's library in Cambridge and report back? Then the mystery of the method Deane used could be cleared up rather than argued about.
About Saturday 24 March 1665/66
Ivan • Link
Phoenix asked whether Pepys had ever shown real affection for anyone other than himself. I noted Mr P's comments on Mr. Hill [" a man I love mightily"] earlier in March 1666 [02/03/1666] on Hill's departure for Portugal. There seems to be a note of genuine sadness. "..and endeed I am heartily sorry for Mr. Hill's leaving us - for he is a very worthy gentleman, as most I know - God give him a good voyage and success in his business. Thus we parted, and my wife and I to bed, heavy for the loss of our friend."
Notice how Sam includes his wife in his sentiments of loss.
About Sunday 26 November 1665
Ivan • Link
On his frosty ride to Erith with Mr.Tooker I don't suppose Mr.P had much to say about his molestation of Mr. T's daughter[?] Mrs. Fr. Tooker three days previously["I sent for little Mrs. Fr. Tooker; and after they were gone, I sat dallying with her an hour, doing what I would with my hand about her.." Did Mr.P feel comfortable with Mr.Tooker, one wonders, or has he forgotten all about it?
[This is my first annotation. I began reading the diary from the beginning last year but only discovered this web-site having reached 1665.]