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RexLeo   Link to this

"...in my way had a stop of above an hour and a half, which is a great trouble..."

Three hundred and odd years later, nothing much has changed - same traffic, same congestion. I could have written this about today's commute.

vicenzo   Link to this

my spititual and temporal earthly lauds did DIE Lun

Australian Susan   Link to this

"I got thither before my Lord came from the House"
Sounds as though dinner was held up for "my Lord" and if Sam had got there after my Lord,they would all have started. How formal would all this have been? And how would dinner have been served. I know that they did not have the 'service a la russe' introduced into polite society in the 19th century, which is what we have now, with several courses of different types of food served separately (e.g. soup, fish, entree, roast, pudding, dessert [nuts etc] savoury, ladies retire, gents have port and cigars - as in Mrs Beeton), but did they still have the medieval idea of lots of dishes all together, then cleared away and another lot brought? If so, it was easier to join if when late as Sam might have been today?

Ruben   Link to this

tld   Link to this

Role Call in Parliament from vincent's (vincenzo) link, "Ds. Crewe, Excused, Not being well"

Is this the same Lord Crew Samuel dined with today?

Ds. is abbreviation for what title?

Pedro.   Link to this

Ds. is abbreviation for what title?

The site below gives the 5 ranks in Peerage. Duke, Earl, Marquis and Viscount can be accounted for. But Ds, could this be Baron or a member of the Church?
http://www.debretts.co.uk/peerage_and_baronetag...

Ruben   Link to this

Ds. is not a title, but a Latin abbreviation.
In the dictionary of Latin common abbreviations (see: http://asgle.classics.unc.edu/abbrev/latin/Popd...)
we see that Ds stands for one of the following:
d(e) s, d(e) s(ua), d(e) s(uis), d(e) s(uo), d(e)s(ignatum), d(ecreto) s(enatus), d(ecurionum) s(ententia), D(eo) S(aturno), D(eo) S(oli), D(eu)s, D(i)s, d(ie) s(exto), d(ie)s, d(iebu)s, d(iscens) s(ignifer), d(iscens) s(igniferorum), d(omini)s, D(omino) s(ancto) . It is for us now to find out which of this abbreviations is the right one.
I think it may be "De Signatum", meaning that Lord Crewe (and others) sent a signed note excusing themself for some reason (illness, etc.).

"Epus." is another Latin abbreviation that I do not know how to interpret, but must be similar in some way.

I hope some of our readers knows better and shares is knowledge with us.

David A. Smith   Link to this

"and in my way had a stop of above an hour and a half"
It is ever thus.
I have read (not verified recently) that Julius Caesar banned all wheeled traffic from Rome during daylight hours.
Indeed, a working definition of a city is what can be commuted (that is, a radius from the city center to the periphery) in an hour or so.

Ruben   Link to this

Ds. Crewe
May be DominiS Crewe (Exalted way of "Mr. Crewe")?

Ruben   Link to this

Ds.
Dominis = Lord

vicenzo   Link to this

dux[Latin : dux, leader, commander][Duke,ducal as in Dux Albermarle]:
Marchio[Maquess]
dux,Comes[earl as in Sandwich];
Vice comes [viscount][comes meaning companion or attendant [of the King]??
ranking as shown in the House of Lauds be
Archiep [Arch bishop- episcopus] : Epus[episcopus]:
They be all lordly, just Titles are inherited from times past and thereby subject to the rules of the original authority of commision:
subject to better authority: thanks for Debrett

Pedro.   Link to this

Epus..Bishops.

"And the Bishops, I hear, do take their places in the Lords House this day."
Sam's note from the 20th November, and now 8 are absent. I wonder how many seats the Bishops actually held in the Lords?

tld   Link to this

For Ds. I'm inclined to side with Ruben's Ds. = Dominis (Lord) though that is the same Latin for Jesus Christ is it not? Seems a tad presumptuous.

Still wondering where Lord Crew was, maybe not in the House, but Samuel seems to think that's where he was, "... My Lord come from the House." Either Samuel is confused or there is more than one Lord Crew (Crewe) in the House?

vicenzo   Link to this

epus:[not epicureans]:It appears to be as follows :15 plus 1 arch, plus 7 sickly, including some there be doubts about[infra AEtatem ][under,below, status?] and 1 no excusey Archbish of Cant. [total 24?]
The St Asaph one, City,town or hamlet be so small that ye get lost going passed it from Rhyl to Denbeigh.
Re: Crewe[Crew] he be in the 5th rank: Baron [Ds.{latin: dux,ducis ;OF/lat: duc ducere to lead; The Italians liked [Il]Duce then there be ducat, doge, ducal,duke and then there is duct to lead us to the lead ledge ]. Some of the extractions of duco,ducere, duxi ductum
Ds. [The saxon be lazy and go into removing as many syllables as possible] is I do believe be mosty for Barons, also known as peers[5 levels] or me lauds]Lords] the top list of roll-call be in order of pecking, the second be in order from the least to the top ranker.
A dictionary does list Ds as decistere = ? then there be decidere = to cut off? (not likely) to arrive at a solution that ends uncertainty or dispute abouut important matters [ but there is desidere = to sit idle, quite appropiate for one parking his day in the pews of House of [Domini] Lords]]
For being absent without permission they be asked to coff up monies for the poor box. There is an entry to that effect in the House of Lords

They all be lords: spiritual [arch and plain] and temporal [5 versions]

dirk   Link to this

Ds.

After searching around on the net, it seems to me that the likely meaning is a common abbreviation for "dominis" (= equivalent of Sir), referring to the title "baron". I couldn't find any satisfying etymology for "baron" other than a vague reference to old Germanic and old French. In Spanish though the word "varon" (b and v sound the same in Spanish), with the general meaning of "Hombre, persona del sexo masculino" [Man, person of the male sex], is still commonly used - albeit not as a title.

By the way, a very complete list of Latin abbreviations (although of little help in this case, but maybe for future reference) can be found on:
http://asgle.classics.unc.edu/abbrev/latin/

R   Link to this

In Spanish "varon" is a male person.
As for "Baron" it is a title (below Vizconde). This words have different origins.
As for V and B they DO NOT sound the same in Spanish.

language hat   Link to this

It's "dominus," not "dominis."

And yes, V and B are exactly the same in Spanish (/b/ at the start of a word, bilabial /v/ between vowels). That's why they're so often interchanged in graffiti.

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