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vincent   Link to this

"...had very good red wine of my Lady's own making in England…." Interesting ‘tis december too.

Nate Lockwood   Link to this

What would paint be in this period? Would the workmen boil linseed oil on the premises and then mix pigment with it? What pignments were used - perhaps white lead? Not a good time of year for paint to "dry", I think.

vincent   Link to this

Painting ? : most likely good old white wash [lime from limehouse] with some wood stains for the hi lights follow'd by carpets [or other hangings see previous upgrades ]for the walls.

vincent   Link to this

previous discourse on the color of the closet
Friday 5 October 1660
Saturday 29 September 1660

Roger Arbor   Link to this

"... very good red wine of my Lady's own making in England." Lady Batten Vintage wine… wonder where is was grown and made. Sunny Kent perhaps? To made a "very good red" needs rather a lot of sunshine. Prizewinning white wines are made all over England now (indeed the Romans grew vines in Northern England), but reds in 1660? Where O where?

Mary   Link to this

English red wine

In a good summer, provided that the vine is planted in a warm and sheltered spot, it's by no means impossible to ripen black grapes in England. I have drunk a perfectly passable red wine produced by friends in Kent from the fruit of a large vine grown over a pergola. Presumably Lady Batten would have taken advantage of a good fruiting year (not necessarily 1660) to make wine for the household.

As for its excellence, let's not forget that much of the continental wine imported into England at this date was of very doubtful quality and Lady Batten's vintage may have tasted pretty good by comparison.

Harry   Link to this

English red wine

In carrying out research on English medieval cathedral priories I came across a number of references to vineyards, which is not surprising since, even though (weak)ale was the staple beverage of the monks, on feast days and special occasions they were entitled to wine, most of it originating from the priory estates.

Certain current place names bear witness to this, such as Vineyard House on the site of the Abbot's vineyard in Peterborough and Vintry Garden at St Albans. At Ely and Bury St Edmunds the vineyards seem to have been quite extensive, covering several acres of land.

Lawrence   Link to this

Sam will soon own some nice wall paintings, there are some frescos at His House at Brampton. I think that the paint used there is water based.

dirk   Link to this

English wine

See also background info:
http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/309/#c9451

dirk   Link to this

English wine - cont'd

It's important to note that "wine" doesn't necessarily refer to wine made from grapes. Home made wines were (and are) traditionally made from many kinds of fruit or berries (elderberries etc.). Such "wines" were also occasionally used for medicinal purposes - although I don't imagine this is the case here!

dirk   Link to this

House painting

There may have been more colour in 17th century houses than most people think. For interesting pictures of a well restaured house from this period, have a look at the following site:

http://www.martin.reed.clara.net/houses/houses3...

The 2nd photograph on the 2nd row is particularly interesting in our context...

Bradford   Link to this

Good site, Dirk. Stencils would have been used to produce the effect. Virginia Woolf's sister Vanessa Bell was doing the same on the walls of her house, Charleston, in Sussex, during the 1930s.

vincent   Link to this

No.10 pic. of Dirks lead to Stuart times is also of great interest. The chimney bits.

Charlezzzzz   Link to this

A lived-in house

Thanks, Dirk, for the URL. One thing we always need to add to "display" houses like these is the beloved clutter that living adds to every room: the mess. When (at some future date) Sam designed his bookcases, didn't he comment on the books that lay about everywhere in his rooms? (Like many of us, I imagine.) I doubt that Stuart rooms were as sterile as we often see them shown. Think baroque. Beat the maid. Walk the dog. Launder seldom. Smell London and the river just outside the door. Glory!

Christo   Link to this

The wine certainly didn't come from grapes grown in England, as 1660 is right in the middle of the Little Ice Age: 'The Little Ice Age (LIA) and Medieval Warm Period (MWP) environments (the most recent analogs for conditions cooler and warmer, respectively, than the present century) can be characterized by interpreting the multi-parameter GISP2 series (Figure 1). The LIA appears to span the period AD1350 or 1450 to AD1900, depending upon measurement type (since each may respond to climate change differently), and the MWP includes the milder few centuries prior to the LIA. ' http://www.agu.org/revgeophys/mayews01/node5.html

Glyn   Link to this

Some examples of period rooms through the ages:

http://www.geffrye-museum.org.uk/virtualtour/in...

dirk   Link to this

"The wine certainly didn't come from grapes grown in England"

There is really no reason why it shouldn’t have come from English grapes. Vines can stand some frost - it all depends on how much sun they get in summer, and the prevailing winds (the microclimate really).

In 1661 Sam will visit a big English wine producer - cfr previous annotation:
http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/309/#9451

Harry   Link to this

The wine certainly didn't come from grapes grown in England"

I would tend to agree with Dirk. Vines can stand quite a lot of frost. My son is currently studying at Reims, plum in the centre of the Champagne area, and he complains that it is bitterly cold there, well below freezing for stretches during the winter months. I would imagine the situation would be much the same for Rhenish and Hungarian wines.

Jim   Link to this

The Finger Lakes region of upstate New York produces some very good wines (yes, and some rather ordinary stuff as well) and you would never confuse the climate in that area with that of the Mediterranian -- they have long, cold winters with heavy snowfall -- but vineyards on hillsides with southern exposure through long summer days can produce fine crops of high quality grapes -- so I have to agree with Dirk and Harry on this.

Bill   Link to this

"where were Sir John Lawson and Captain Holmes"

We have heard recently of the disabling of two ships designated for the "Guiny" expedition. Captain Holmes is in charge of that expedition and it will leave in January.

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