Saturday 19 January 1666/67

Up, and at the office all the morning. Sir W. Batten tells me to my wonder that at his coming to my Lord Ashly, yesterday morning, to tell him what prize-goods he would have saved for the Navy, and not sold, according to the King’s order on the 17th, he fell quite out with him in high terms; and he says, too, that they did go on to the sale yesterday, even of the very hempe, and other things, at which I am astonished, and will never wonder at the ruine of the King’s affairs, if this be suffered. At noon dined, and Mr. Pierce come to see me, he newly come from keeping his Christmas in the country.

So to the office, where very busy, but with great pleasure till late at night, and then home to supper and to bed.

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Terry Foreman  •  Link

Conway to Ormond
Written from: London
Date: 19 January 1667

The Lord Chancellor [Clarendon] said, on being pressed to write to the Lord Lieutenant, that if he were with his Grace, "he could speak with freedom; if he should write it would be only by halves". ... "He told me that Arlington was the occasion [he means rather the cause, according to the context] of the King's passing the Irish [Cattle] Bill; not by persuasion, but by engaging ... that the Commons would comply in all his affairs, & differ in nothing. He (the King) is so sensible of his error that to redeem it he would eat his own flesh; the manner [of his so saying?] being more ridiculous than the matter". [All of this paragraph is in cypher, with a decypher interlineated by Lane.] ...

... Further particulars are added, at great length, of parliamentary & other public affairs.

Brodrick to Ormond
Written from: [London]
Date: 19 January 1667

The prorogation [of Parliament in England] is to be on Monday se'nnight ... "They can do that poor nation [Ireland] no good ... till, awakened by the general calamity of this, they repent too late, and with the augmented price of beef & mutton, labour to repeal the law, whereby not one thirtieth part of the Kingdom [of England] is really availed" ...

Arlington to Ormond
Written from: Whitehall
Date: 19 January 1667

... The truth is that the Nation, as well as both Houses of Parliament, have so possessed themselves with the opinion of advantages they shall have by the stop of Irish Cattle, that, without the hazard almost of a Rebellion, his Majesty could not deny it ...

... Lord Mordaunt's answer to his impeachment seemed very satisfactory to our House; whether it will be so to the Commons, the writer cannot well tell ...…

Terry Foreman  •  Link

Ormond to Anglesey
Written from: Dublin
Date: 19 January 1667

... Is more disturbed by fears of misunderstandings in Parliament, than of anything that enemies can do ...

... Hopes that weather favourable to travel may soon bring over his son Ossory, and then Lord Anglesey, who may be worse spared [in England] till this session shall have an end.

Has, by this post, put a full period to his son John's wooing.…

Terry Foreman  •  Link

"Ormonde [h]Has, by this post, put a full period to his son John’s wooing."

"John Butler, 1st Earl of Gowran (1643–1677) was a British peer. The son of James Butler, 1st Duke of Ormonde and his wife, Elizabeth, was created 1st (and last) Earl of Gowran. He never married and the title died with him."…

Ruben  •  Link

..."Believe it or not, it was once possible to grow up believing that virtually nobody cheated on a spouse"..."Maybe by 2011 you'll consider infidelity O.K."
From a good article by Robert Wright in today's The New York Times.
See: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.…
How times change and mores become diluted or stronger, philandering included.

cape henry  •  Link

"...and not sold, according to the King’s order on the 17th..." We have come to see, since the great to-do over Sandwich's prize, that this is a complicated and contentious set of issues. Being about money, of course it would be, and this open dispute between Batten and Ashley underscore the nature of the risk in the risk/reward equation of prizes. It will be interesting how this may percolate.

CGS  •  Link

"...How times change and mores become diluted or stronger, philandering included..."

Times have not changed, it just yo's yo's, it is a cycle, which version of living is judge as the ideal?
Only 10% be visible at any given time to any given group.. The good? and the bad? for us to see if we want.
The Literature shows that there is a certain percentage that behave at one extreme, then it is flip sides turn to balance out the failure.
We are always enamored by those that we deem to be leaders [ug] and they be the ones show us a leading version of the lifestyles.
We only see a small fraction of what 7.5 Billion 'omo's erectus/sapeiens behaviours. and we disguard all info that does not match our narrow ideas, be what they may.

No sex begets no future generation, too much begets a diseased future, the future is generated by those somewhere in the moderate group.

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