Saturday 3 December 1664

Up, and at the office all the morning, and at noon to Mr. Cutler’s, and there dined with Sir W. Rider and him, and thence Sir W. Rider and I by coach to White Hall to a Committee of the Fishery; there only to hear Sir Edward Ford’s proposal about farthings, wherein, O God! to see almost every body interested for him; only my Lord Annesly, who is a grave, serious man. My Lord Barkeley was there, but is the most hot, fiery man in discourse, without any cause, that ever I saw, even to breach of civility to my Lord Anglesey, in his discourse opposing to my Lord’s. At last, though without much satisfaction to me, it was voted that it should be requested of the King, and that Sir Edward Ford’s proposal is the best yet made. Thence by coach home. The Duke of Yorke being expected to-night with great joy from Portsmouth, after his having been abroad at sea three or four days with the fleete; and the Dutch are all drawn into their harbours. But it seems like a victory: and a matter of some reputation to us it is, and blemish to them; but in no degree like what it is esteemed at, the weather requiring them to do so. Home and at my office late, and then to supper and to bed.

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Terry Foreman  •  Link

On behalf of Dirk Van de putte, communications (held today in the [not D'Oyly] Carte Calendar) -- navy matters are heating up.

Captain Robert Clarke to Sandwich
Written from: the Straits of Gibraltar

Date: [3? December] 1664

Shelfmark: MS. Carte 75, fol(s). 273
Document type: Holograph [with seal of arms]

Sends advices of various naval incidents in the Straits and Mediterranean. reports that by order of Admiral Lawson, the writer and Captain Parker were sent to Algiers, with proposals for an exchange of prisoners. In the bay they were informed of the death of the English Consul (soon after Lord Sandwich's departure from Algiers) and of the battle between the French and the Turks. To the proffered exchange, he adds, the Moors would not agree, but said: "what men we had of theirs we might sell, and redeem our English".


An Order by James, Duke of York, Lord High Admiral, for the seizure and detention of all Dutch ships, that shall be met with, whether they be ships of war or merchant vessels
Written from: on board the Royal Charles

Date: 3 December 1664

Shelfmark: MS. Carte 75, fol(s). 257
Document type: Original; signed & countersigned


Instructions by James, Duke of York, Lord High Admiral, to Edward, Earl of Sandwich, Vice-Admiral of England
Written from: on board the Royal Charles

Date: 3 December 1664

Shelfmark: MS. Carte 75, fol(s). 259
Document type: Original; signed & countersigned

The Vice-Admiral is informed of the disposal of various squadrons, and of ships of observation, as they are left on the Duke's departure from Portsmouth. He is instructed to issue, from time to time, such further orders as the exigency of events may require. The Ships formerly prepared for the Voyage to Guinea are not to be hazarded at sea, save on some great emergency.

Terry Foreman  •  Link


6 November 1663
"I took my Lord aside, who do give me the best advice he can, and telling me how there are some projectors, by name Sir Edward Ford, who would have the making of farthings, and out of that give so much to the King for the maintenance of the Fishery; but my Lord do not like that, but would have it go as they offered the last year"

See the posts on farthings and tokens by Glyn and Louise H beginning thus
"A farthing was a quarter of a penny, and throughout the 1660s there was a severe shortage of small coinage - it not being profitable for the various mints to produce them. This was so much the case that many taverns manufactured their own tokens that could be spent at their establishments. Pepys would have handled these tokens every day, but it was one of those trivial things that he never mentioned in the Diary."

13 September 1664
"many good things discoursed of concerning making of farthings, which was proposed as a way of raising money for this business, and then that of lotterys"

cgs  •  Link

"...proposal about farthings, .."
story :
A farthing (meaning fourth part) was a British coin worth one quarter of a penny. Such coins were first minted in England in the 13th century, and continued to be used until 31 December 1960, when they ceased to be legal tender.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Amen I say to thee, thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing.

Pedro  •  Link

Farthings and Guineas.

The poor man's farthing is worth more
Than all the gold in Afric's Store.


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