Saturday 20 July 1661

Up to Huntingdon this morning to Sir Robert Bernard, with whom I met Jaspar Trice. So Sir Robert caused us to sit down together and began discourse very fairly between us, so I drew out the Will and show it him, and [he] spoke between us as well as I could desire, but could come to no issue till Tom Trice comes. Then Sir Robert and I fell to talk about the money due to us upon surrender from Piggott, 164l., which he tells me will go with debts to the heir at law, which breaks my heart on the other side. Here I staid and dined with Sir Robert Bernard and his lady, my Lady Digby, a very good woman. After dinner I went into the town and spent the afternoon, sometimes with Mr. Phillips, sometimes with Dr. Symcottes, Mr. Vinter, Robert Ethell, and many more friends, and at last Mr. Davenport, Phillips, Jaspar Trice, myself and others at Mother –— over against the Crown we sat and drank ale and were very merry till 9 at night, and so broke up. I walked home, and there found Tom Trice come, and he and my father gone to Goody Gorum’s, where I found them and Jaspar Trice got before me, and Mr. Greene, and there had some calm discourse, but came to no issue, and so parted. So home and to bed, being now pretty well again of my left hand, which lately was stung and very much swelled.

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A. De Araujo   Link to this

"which lately was stung and very much swelled" Yes Sam, there are all kinds of wasps,"yellow jackets" etc in the country so you have to be careful; in the future carry an epi pen with you in case you have an allergic reaction!...

Pedro.   Link to this

"drank ale and were very merry till 9 at night, and so broke up. I walked home,"

At the moment in the UK it is dark at 10.00pm (BST), and Sam would be on GMT?, and therefore dark at 9.00pm. I reckon he has about a half hours walk, so lets hope the ale was not too strong and that there is a brave moonshine. We want our entry tomorrow!

Pedro.   Link to this

Link Boy.

Obviously we know that Sam gets home safely, but in the city of London, he hires a link boy in the hours of darkness. Could we assume that the link boys added security that would not be needed in the countryside?

language hat   Link to this

Mother -

Can anyone interpret this? (In a 17th-century context, that is…)

vicente   Link to this

Mother --- amongst us lesser folk, usually indicated a house of less than sterling standards but was popular with the male of the species. Of course words do mean different things in the different generations. Take cheese, it has another meaning besides the curd separated from Whey with salt added and left to age in ones cave.

vicente   Link to this

If one peers at the map, surrounding Pepyse estate, there are many footpaths [to be seen even now that were in vogue then [they quite common ye know]]that inter connect between the various lands, easily used by the uninitiated as they are rather well worn by the pedestrian traffic[there be only shanks ponies available for the lesser folk, no penny fathings available yet] and if he use a local nag rather than hoofing it , the nag would most likely know the way in the heavy mists], even on the dark nights as the starlight of the country side is rather delicious[as long there is no mists ousing from the local river or a thunder cloud to make a mess of the fresh 'ay that has been cut] unlike now, with the intrusion of the village and town lights that spoil the walk under the milky way. I as very young tike would follow the tracks to my out of the way place of residence, rather than take the civilized route which would easily double the fatigue of my young legs.
P.S. mother blahs were most popular in most large villages or towns , never on the offical map, just word to the asking.

Pauline   Link to this

"...which breaks my heart on the other side..."
Do you think this means that dealing with the Trice brothers and their bereaved mom is one sad difficulty and now he finds that "heir-at-law" rights will present a second set of difficulties with his Uncle Thomas? That Uncle Robert's will has stirred up trouble on two fronts?

I think this must be quite common. An "Uncle Robert" who brandishes his will and talks of the inheritor and the inheritance until it becomes something quite big and important. Then he dies and it is discovered that the paperwork is a mess and there are serious other legal rights that haven't been carefully put aside. Sam is appearing tenacious at this point. And glad that the discourse is calm.

Roger Arbor   Link to this

"Much swelled"... nice to have something in common with SP today. My left arm is 'much swelled' too... and from the same cause.

Pauline   Link to this

"Much swelled”
Me too, Roger; up my shirt while I was weeding. And even more my brother who stuck his nose among the Yellow Jackets and came away with swollen eyes—a handsome visage indeed. Time and again Sam is doing what we are doing. In this case there is a seasonal connection.

Mary   Link to this

Mother _______

Sounds like another ale-house, in which case Sam and party are moving from one ale-house to another. According to an L&M footnote, Goody Gorham's alehouse was actually owned by Robert Pepys; it was to pass first to Sam's father and then to Sam himself after the death of the tenant.

The running of an ale-house was something of a cottage industry. It offered a source of income to many a widow (NOT necessarily a merry widow)in an age when women were, in general, responsible for home-brewing. In a country-town her skill in brewing might be the only commercial skill that a woman could profitably exploit whilst retaining a measure of independence.

Pedro.   Link to this

Sounds like another ale-house.

Could be, there is an ale-house in "The Black Country" region of England known as Ma Pardoes

http://www.protzonbeer.com/documents/27660-0016...

JWB   Link to this

"...which breaks my heart on the other side..."
I read this to be a bit of schadenfreude. Sam & Pop to lose 164L. but also the debts to the heir@law. And it’s been said, who but the Germans would invent such an expression.

vicente   Link to this

" the dash " is indicative of being victorian editing. Of course houses of Ill Repute were never mentioned, in upscale literature, even now nobody mentions the local meeting places of the lower mind. Mother blahs was a euphenism by the cultured for the activities that went on, but never said openly. Yes ale was served by the local wench. The local beagle would only see the strong water. The more afluent had their pleasure gardens see Liza Picard p 62; p164-166 see page 302 " 'Mother Cresswell'{ a title implying respect}" Of course if you have the looks and money then thee is then a lady and would get a title.

Mary   Link to this

The dash.

In this case, the dash is an addition by the Victorian editor. The original text, as reproduced in the L&M edition, shows a blank space here. It doesn't seem very likely that Pepys would frequent a house of really ill repute in company with Jasper Trice at this point, given that the two men are likely to find themselves on opposite sides in a law case.

Nix   Link to this

House of ill repute?

I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if Samuel and the others went to a brothel, even with someone who might be a potential rival in court. I think I've read that they were places of male social and business gathering apart from the venereal commerce. But he's not in London -- would Brampton or Huntingdon (I'm not sure which he is referring to as "town") have been big enough to support a "respectable" whorehouse?

vicente   Link to this

Oh! yes even a hamlet of 4 pubs and few farms and cottages enjoyed the age old entertainment, there being very little other distraction except the sermons and viewing of the head gear and bustles [framework or padding ... to pad out "la Derriere"] of the Locals. [there was one local known for 1d a time [so it was rumoured][mother penny][twas before the WWII].

Pedro.   Link to this

"age old entertainment"

Vincente! how come you know so much about this? Not just by googling I'll be bound!

dirk   Link to this

"schadenfreude ... who but the Germans would invent such an expression"

Well, actually we have the very same word in Dutch: "leedvermaak" = "leed" (suffering, cfr. German "Leid") + "vermaak" (pleasure).

Louis   Link to this

Mother Blank sounds like Pepys maybe thought the name would come back to him and then he'd fill it in---another drinking establishment. The simplest dullest explanation is the likeliest.

vicente   Link to this

If ye doth live the village life, ye Know nothing is sacred, kids know, what is up and wots down. The basics of life don't have to be learnt at Tutors elboe. 'Tis all there with window of the world, one goes to the brain washing institutions, to be deprogrammed then learn from Rochester to put it all into verse.
The good stuff is never learnt from reading and watching tele. Seriously much of that, that goes on in the world, is never really recorded, too mundane.
If what is said is said badly and not to the rules of accepted academic level , it is dismissed as irrelevant.
e.g. " buddies and other idiots , I came to inhume the the old codger....." then the speaker is dismissed as a hayseed. Most of those that live, have left not an iota of a mark. Moi, will not get even a line in hatches,matches and dispatches of the freee press.

Bob   Link to this

I'd agree with Louis. We've seen Pepys leave a blank space before, when he couldn't recall someone's name at the time.

Andrew Hamilton   Link to this

"which breaks my heart on the other side"

The mower against other claimants to his uncle's land
(With apologies to Andrew Marvell)

My mind was once the true survey
Of all these meadows fresh and gay,
And in the greenness of the grass
Did see its hopes as in a glass;
When TOM TRICE came and he,
What I do to the grass, does to my
thoughts and me.

A. De Araujo   Link to this

"it is dismissed as irrelevant" You are a wise man dear Vincent!...

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