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Glyn   Link to this

"The Drawers" in this sense are the waiters at the inn who are drawing wine and beer from the barrels downstairs in the cellar and carrying it upstairs for the guests. Pepys, Creed etc are sharing convivial jokes with the servants about the local dignitaries.

Bradford   Link to this

"At his girdle" means "in his pocket"; but what about the noun on its own? "Fashion" in the Background so far says nought.

A. De Araujo   Link to this

"concerning the mimister of the Town,with a red face and girdle" he was John Holland who wrote a book: "The Smoke of the bottomless pit" that was hostile to the Ranters and Quakers but why does he have a red face( rouge? alcoholic?) and a Girdle!?

dirk   Link to this

Girdle

"belt or sash worn around the waist" (The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language)

Possibly some kind of conspicuous ceremonial sash here?

William Crosby   Link to this

"Hospital"--This caught my eye having just finished Trollope's The Warden and Barchester Towers. Both relate in some respect to the Church of England's system of "hospitals" for the elderly and controlled by the Church through the government. If you haven't read Trollope, which certainly I had not, you are missing a treat. While not concerned with the Pepysian epoch, you do see the further unfolding of the reformation in a perspective that makes Pepys and the protestant movement, money, and politics accessible in the moment. In a sense, the "hospital" is a retirement home, not a hospice though closer in meaning I suppose--and certainly not a health care facility.

Vicente   Link to this

The trip: Taking it easy or was it all up hill up to London town? ['up to town', a figure of speech, never down to London town].
Two days out three back? He did complain or was it just a comment about his companion. Of course the entry was delayed by a few days so it could be just retrospective thinking. How many times has he said slept well?
No aked 'ead. The ales must have been diluted?

Oz Stu   Link to this

The ales must have been diluted?

Good point from what we know of his appetite for grog, but more likely that the presence of the Mrs. restrained his behaviour.

Vicente   Link to this

Another thought, was this Coach a Publick hire? therefore could only be available for fixed times. It left late yesterday.

Mary   Link to this

Another Red Lion inn.

Pepys also stayed at the Red Lion in Portsmouth and (although he did not mention it) there was another Red Lion in Petersfield, the town where the party stopped for 'bait' on the outward journey.

Apparently the Red Lion is the most popular name for a pub/inn in England. Reference was often made to powerful men in the adoption of devices for inns, and the Red Lion has a long history, having been part of the heraldic devices of both John of Gaunt and James I and VI.

Australian Susan   Link to this

"slept well"
Maybe Sam comments on sleeping well as he does not expect to in inns (bed bugs, mouldy bedding, noisy inn yards, having to share and so on).

Australian Susan   Link to this

Almshouses & Hospitals & Grammar Schools
There are many foundations of these from the middle of the 16th century onwards to cope with the lack of such welfare and educational provision after the closure of religious houses by Henry VIII in the 1530s. They also provided accomodation for travellers, so led to the growth of inns too.

Pedro.   Link to this

English Pub History.

For index of names and places, (and on this it says the Crown is most common)see
http://uk-pages.net/pubs/pubs_index.shtml

For history see;

www.pubs.com/history.htm

Mary   Link to this

English pub history, further.

Thanks to Pedro for his link. I was surprised to be told that the Red Lions were the commonest pubs, but thought that perhaps I lived in the wrong area of England to see many of them. The London-Portsmouth road looks well supplied with them in Pepys time.

AlanB   Link to this

Public House names. Following Our Sam's recording of Charlie's great escape by hiding in the oak tree at Boscobel, a new pub name quickly spreads across the kingdom - that of the 'Royal Oak'. I wonder when Sam will stay at his first Royal Oak?

Harry   Link to this

So to bed, where we lay and sleep well

Yesterday, when David brought up the question about Sam's exact meaning when he speaks of "laying with his wife", Dirk provided a list of entries where he had used the word "lay" and pointed out that in only three cases there was or might be a sexual connotation. He concluded that we probably should not jump too quickly to conclusions;

This is a problem which has been worrying my probably unclean mind, so I'm glad someone else brought it up. My interpretation is that as far as his wife is concerned this is not really so innocent. When Sam drops off on his bed after a hard day's work or partying he uses his "and so to bed" trademark. I don't know whether they normally share a bed, but if so he is not conscious of her presence. On the other hand, when he feels amorous or just cuddly, for instance when sharing a strange bed away from home, he uses the "lay with" term to record a fond memory. Or am I being too romantic?

Barbara   Link to this

Even though Sam's sexual "away from home" peccadillos are fair game, do we really need to get so excited as to whether a respectable married couple have intercourse or not?

Vicente   Link to this

Sleeping in common beds: see big bed of Ware also comments galore.
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1660/02/24/#c2224

http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1660/02/
also travel problems
map trip note Guilford not on stop list.
no 30 London, Wandsworth, Cobham, Godalming, Petersfield, Portsmouth.
http://www.antiquemaps.com/uk/roads/ogilstk.htm

Eric Walla   Link to this

Thanks, Vicente, for the map link.

I recommend reading the link to John Ogilby's biography. It fits in so well with Sam's story and period.

Sorry for gushing, but I feel I have truly developed a better sense of just what has made Britain great: the land, the circumstances, and in particular the marvelous people given the opportunity to show their merit.

helena murphy   Link to this

Charles II dictated his account of the escape after Worcester to Pepys in 1680,who took it down in shorthand and later oversaw a transcription of it in longhand. However from 1660 onwards there were printed sources by other authors detailing the escape and based on first hand accounts."Boscobel" by Thomas Blount (london,1660,1662)is considered by Richard Ollard to be the best account of the affair. This was approved by the king but Charles later admitted that it contained errors. Either way it may have taken a while for the amazing royal escape to take hold of the national consciousness, and only then manifesting itself in a new popular name for a pub.

Vicente   Link to this

Re: Privacy, it was only for the few priviledged, that did not have to show their short comings to the their fellow sufferers. Fancys schools, Hospitals, Military Service all showed a remarkably lack of decorum sharing common open spaces {called dorms for 'brats' or young gentlemen, no partitions, wards for sick etc. , every one pitched[the walkers] in to help those that were not ambulatory that is , barrack rooms 3 ugly mugs to a 8ft x 4ft bunk space, on troop ships, the storage holds held 20 bunk sets or so with 4 or 5 blokes to the tiered bunk, in the small tents 4 bodies to 8' x 10' tent etc.}, and most who were subjected to the mores of the times, could not have cared less. Ablutions and other functions were more in the open, yet at the same time were very private in spite of the conditions.
To lay just means lay to rest all those thoughts of biblical cognitions.
SP appears to to indicate when there is no pillow separating the waring parties..

Vicente   Link to this

Distance travelled, easy stages,
Petersfield to Portsmouth 15 miles and Petersfield 11 miles from Guildford. Must be that he wanted like so many, to sleep where the famous did lay down, hoping sumert will rub off.[Never did for me, the fleas,they itched just the same]

Pedro.   Link to this

Distance travelled//escape after Worcester.

A Long distance path (for Walkers) is called the Monarch's Way (Worcester to Shoreham) 982km/610 miles.
Britain's second-longest signed walking trail, a lengthy, meandering route following the flight of Charles II after his defeat at the Battle of Worcester in 1651, and including many sites of historic interest.

john lauer   Link to this

'when he speaks of "laying with his wife"' -- he does not!
he spoke of lying, but in the past, so he correctly said lay.

Vicente   Link to this

"Lay", 46 lines of meanings and 26 entries with a nown or adj/adverb attached, in my simple Dictionary, [besides the 36 lines for "Lie", so how many in the OED?] in other words 100 different shaded meanings or more could be possible but not probable? So I guess we should lay off that one, as there is only two lines for the biblical connection. For all that we really know, he might have meant a ballad or simple poem.

Australian Susan   Link to this

Escape of Charles II after Worcester
When I was a teenager, I lived in Abbots Leigh, Somerset (now Avon). The 'big house' of the village is Leigh Court (now a hospital). This was one of the places Charles took refuge in. I walked the tracks around the village taken by Charles to get away surreptitiously. It is great to know that this is now part of a recognised walking trail. I also traced the route in the Midlands between Boscobel, Whiteladies Priory and Hobball Grange - still in the '60s the rural farmland Charles would have seen.

Ruben   Link to this

Hospital:
today is an institution that treats sick people. The word was imported from the Holy Land by the crusaders. The original is "Ushpezin", (I understand it is an Aramic word)meaning what today we would call "hospitality" (not necessarily for sick people).
Interestingly in modern Hebrew they forgot the connection between Hospital and Ushpezin (ushpezin being part of religious festivities) and called the Hospital "House of the Sick".

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