"Can this repetition [of 'fall'] be a stab at a pun?" and other quesions about Fall.
I missed the allusion to King Charles's Head, Bradford, but did catch a possible pun on the Fall of humankind in Genesis 3 (as Christians see it, Sam being at a[nother] church); and on the season of the year (my yards being spread with leaves newly fallen) -- until I read the Rev. Josselin's reference to "winter."
What season of the year is it called in 1662? And if it is "winter" (with a solstice at its middle, let us suppose), when did it change to "fall" or "autumn"? Was it with England's laggard change from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar ca. 1750?
We know these thing have changed, because we know come January we are coming up on 1662/63, in accordance with Aelfric's *De Temporibus Anni* (ca. A.D. 1010): "The Roman people begin their year in the wintertime, in accordance with the custom of the heathens. The Hebrews keep the beginning of their year at the spring equinox. The Greeks begin their year at the solstice, and the Egyptians in the autumn. But the Hebrew people who obeyed God's law began their year most correctly, that is, at the spring equinox on the twelfth kalends of April [21 March], on which day the sun, the moon, all the stars and the seasons of the year were created." http://www.engl.virginia.edu/OE/a…
Perhaps when the family "being away" and the house needing restoration or Mrs. Sarah, as a supervisor, being on patrol with a maid or two at her beck and call?
Pauline, "Mrs. Sarah" would perhaps have been a term of respect: she was a housekeeper, not a maid (she isn't "Sarah") -- and Mrs. have been prorounced "Mistress" or "MIZ-russ" (we had this discussion many moons ago) -- the custom lingers in the mid-South in US when old-timers address adult woman, even, in the last generation, their wives.
"He told me that certainly Sir H. Vane must be gone to Heaven, for he died as much a martyr and saint as ever man did; and that the King hath lost more by that man’s death, than he will get again a good while. At all which I know not what to think; but, I confess, I do think that the Bishops will never be able to carry it so high as they do." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Recall that Pepys himself was deeply impressed by what he was told about the Vane's speech before he was executed. --- It is not too far a stretch, methinks, to hear an echo of Will Swan's views a bit over a century later in the words of the American from Virginia, James Madison: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Servant to Lord Widrington; claimed, 20 December 1661, to be writing a book called “The unlawfull use of lawfull things” (L&M Index) "Possibly the Treasury solicitor of that name under the Commonwealth." (L&M Companion)
"Will. Swan, a great fanatic, my old acquaintance"
Swan was a “fanatic” in that on 22 June, he had voiced a radically nonconformist view, claiming that "he and his company are the true spirit of the nation, and the greater part of the nation too, who will have liberty of conscience in spite of this ‘Act of Uniformity,’ or they will die; and if they may not preach abroad, they will preach in their own houses.” At the present time, men like him, e.g., Quakers, were being imprisoned as plotters.
Swan was a "fanatique" in that in June, 1662, he held a radically nonconformist view, "for he finds that he and his company are the true spirit of the nation, and the greater part of the nation too, who will have liberty of conscience in spite of this 'Act of Uniformity,' or they will die; and if they may not preach abroad, they will preach in their own houses." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
L&M note on 11 December referreing to "our great letter, so long in doing, to my Lord Treasurer": "This was a statement of account, dated this day, relating to a parliamentary grant of 29 January 1662 for wages, paid and payable, for the period 19 March-10 September. The grant had amounted to £417,220 and the expenditure to £142,446....It had been in preparation since 6 November. http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
"Sir W. Pen did...tell me how really Sir J. Minnes did resolve to have one of my rooms"
L&M have "Sir W. Penn did...tell me how highly Sir J. Mennes did resolve to have one of my rooms", echoing yesterday's "it is very highly and basely done of him." I take it "highly" refers to Mennes's degree of resolve, or to his pulling rank (Mennes on his high horse) -- unless language hat or someone else can come up with a better reading, Wheatley's rendering is clearer.
"Navy Office, Rebuilt 1674-5"; that of 1662 gone missing.
Michael Robinson, thank you for clarifying part of the problem we were having correlating the Diary with the Engraving. I say "part of the problem" on the assumption that the rebuild retained the basic ground-plan, including the distinction between the yard and the garden, the joined Houses and the Office; the mansard roof in the Engraving, uniform and FLAT as it is, would surely be a latter-day addition, and the "leads" on which the Pepys's strolled would be irretrievable except to the imaginations of those who miss them.
"one of the upper rooms of the Comptroller’s house towards the garden…”
Might "towards the garden" perhaps tell us that the upper room in question was one of those on the garden-side and not the yard-side of the Comptroller’s house?
The Mansard roof was popular in the period of the Navy Office
François Mansard (Also spelled Mansart). French architect, born in Paris, probably of Italian stock, in 1598; died there, 1666. During at least the last thirty years of his life he exercised the greatest influence on the development of architecture. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/0…
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First Reading
About Sunday 9 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"Can this repetition [of 'fall'] be a stab at a pun?" and other quesions about Fall.
I missed the allusion to King Charles's Head, Bradford, but did catch a possible pun on the Fall of humankind in Genesis 3 (as Christians see it, Sam being at a[nother] church); and on the season of the year (my yards being spread with leaves newly fallen) -- until I read the Rev. Josselin's reference to "winter."
What season of the year is it called in 1662? And if it is "winter" (with a solstice at its middle, let us suppose), when did it change to "fall" or "autumn"? Was it with England's laggard change from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar ca. 1750?
We know these thing have changed, because we know come January we are coming up on 1662/63, in accordance with Aelfric's *De Temporibus Anni* (ca. A.D. 1010): "The Roman people begin their year in the wintertime, in accordance with the custom of the heathens. The Hebrews keep the beginning of their year at the spring equinox. The Greeks begin their year at the solstice, and the Egyptians in the autumn. But the Hebrew people who obeyed God's law began their year most correctly, that is, at the spring equinox on the twelfth kalends of April [21 March], on which day the sun, the moon, all the stars and the seasons of the year were created." http://www.engl.virginia.edu/OE/a…
About Friday 7 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Was up stairs the place to be for the servants?
Perhaps when the family "being away" and the house needing restoration or Mrs. Sarah, as a supervisor, being on patrol with a maid or two at her beck and call?
About Friday 7 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Pauline, "Mrs. Sarah" would perhaps have been a term of respect: she was a housekeeper, not a maid (she isn't "Sarah") -- and Mrs. have been prorounced "Mistress" or "MIZ-russ" (we had this discussion many moons ago) -- the custom lingers in the mid-South in US when old-timers address adult woman, even, in the last generation, their wives.
About Friday 7 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Aha! L&M footnote: "Before the Restoration, Pepys had had charge of Sandwich's London household, in which Sarah had been a servant."
About Friday 7 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Sorry: Jeannine, I see you already opined that.
About Friday 7 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Jeannine, do you suppose the mystery lady is getting the "porters" some work?
About Friday 7 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Bradford, you have made more sense with your searching than I with L&M's Companion and Index.
About Friday 7 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Mrs. Sarah is Lord Sandwich's housekeeper
http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo…
About Jack Cole
Terry F • Link
Had been a schoolfellow of Pepys at St. Paul's; afterward was in business in the city until 1664. (d. 1665)
About John Crew (a, Baron Crew of Stene)
Terry F • Link
"He had three brothers: Thomas (of Crawley, Hunts.), Nathaniel (of Gray's Inn), and Salathiel (of Hinton, Northants.)" L&M, iii.253.n2.
About Thursday 6 November 1662
Terry F • Link
On 22 June Swan also praised Sir Harry Vane
"He told me that certainly Sir H. Vane must be gone to Heaven, for he died as much a martyr and saint as ever man did; and that the King hath lost more by that man’s death, than he will get again a good while. At all which I know not what to think; but, I confess, I do think that the Bishops will never be able to carry it so high as they do."
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Recall that Pepys himself was deeply impressed by what he was told about the Vane's speech before he was executed.
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It is not too far a stretch, methinks, to hear an echo of Will Swan's views a bit over a century later in the words of the American from Virginia, James Madison: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
About William Swan
Terry F • Link
Servant to Lord Widrington; claimed, 20 December 1661, to be writing a book called “The unlawfull use of lawfull things” (L&M Index) "Possibly the Treasury solicitor of that name under the Commonwealth." (L&M Companion)
About Thursday 6 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"Will. Swan, a great fanatic, my old acquaintance"
Swan was a “fanatic” in that on 22 June, he had voiced a radically nonconformist view, claiming that "he and his company are the true spirit of the nation, and the greater part of the nation too, who will have liberty of conscience in spite of this ‘Act of Uniformity,’ or they will die; and if they may not preach abroad, they will preach in their own houses.” At the present time, men like him, e.g., Quakers, were being imprisoned as plotters.
About William Swan
Terry F • Link
Swan was a "fanatique" in that in June, 1662, he held a radically nonconformist view, "for he finds that he and his company are the true spirit of the nation, and the greater part of the nation too, who will have liberty of conscience in spite of this 'Act of Uniformity,' or they will die; and if they may not preach abroad, they will preach in their own houses." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
For the reference to "Fanatics" see http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo…
I find no reference to Pepys having called him "rogue" by Nov. 6, 1662.
About Thursday 6 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"my Lord Treasurer’s letter"
L&M note on 11 December referreing to "our great letter, so long in doing, to my Lord Treasurer": "This was a statement of account, dated this day, relating to a parliamentary grant of 29 January 1662 for wages, paid and payable, for the period 19 March-10 September. The grant had amounted to £417,220 and the expenditure to £142,446....It had been in preparation since 6 November. http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
About Wednesday 5 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"Sir W. Pen did...tell me how really Sir J. Minnes did resolve to have one of my rooms"
L&M have "Sir W. Penn did...tell me how highly Sir J. Mennes did resolve to have one of my rooms", echoing yesterday's "it is very highly and basely done of him."
I take it "highly" refers to Mennes's degree of resolve, or to his pulling rank (Mennes on his high horse) -- unless language hat or someone else can come up with a better reading, Wheatley's rendering is clearer.
About Tuesday 4 November 1662
Terry F • Link
What do "old" sea-dogs beached at desk-jobs do one to another?!
Penn, age 41, gets dissed by Mennes, age 63; in a way, Pepys, all of 29, a landlubber and in his element, is a bystander.
About Tuesday 4 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"Navy Office, Rebuilt 1674-5"; that of 1662 gone missing.
Michael Robinson, thank you for clarifying part of the problem we were having correlating the Diary with the Engraving. I say "part of the problem" on the assumption that the rebuild retained the basic ground-plan, including the distinction between the yard and the garden, the joined Houses and the Office; the mansard roof in the Engraving, uniform and FLAT as it is, would surely be a latter-day addition, and the "leads" on which the Pepys's strolled would be irretrievable except to the imaginations of those who miss them.
About Tuesday 4 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"one of the upper rooms of the Comptroller’s house towards the garden…”
Might "towards the garden" perhaps tell us that the upper room in question was one of those on the garden-side and not the yard-side of the Comptroller’s house?
About Tuesday 4 November 1662
Terry F • Link
The Mansard roof was popular in the period of the Navy Office
François Mansard
(Also spelled Mansart). French architect, born in Paris, probably of Italian stock, in 1598; died there, 1666. During at least the last thirty years of his life he exercised the greatest influence on the development of architecture. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/0…