Thursday 7 June 1660

[Continued from yesterday, P.G.] about one in the morning, W. Howe called me up to give him a letter to carry to my Lord that came to me to-day, which I did and so to, sleep again. About three in the morning the people began to wash the deck, and the water came pouring into my mouth, which waked me, and I was fain to rise and get on my gown, and sleep leaning on my table.

This morning Mr. Montagu went away again.

After dinner come Mr. John Wright and Mr. Moore, with the sight of whom my heart was very glad. They brought an order for my Lord’s coming up to London, which my Lord resolved to do tomorrow.

All the afternoon getting my things in order to set forth to-morrow. At night walked up and down with Mr. Moore, who did give me an account of all things at London. Among others, how the Presbyterians would be angry if they durst, but they will not be able to do any thing.

Most of the Commanders on board and supped with my Lord.

Late at night came Mr. Edw. Pickering from London, but I could not see him this night.

I went with Mr. Moore to the Master’s cabin, and saw him there in order to going to bed.

After that to my own cabin to put things in order and so to bed.

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vincent   Link to this

"About three .. and sleep leaning on my table".
( Peter Sellers where are you?: the scuppers were open again, He forget to tell his lad to to draw the blinds: Oh Dear!!. Purser, fire them all).
Sam does lets it all 'ang out. He says it as it is, truly Wonderful..

M;Stolzenbach   Link to this

"the water came pouring into my mouth"

Wondering if this shouldn't be "into my berth..."

Paul Brewster   Link to this

the water came pouring into my mouth
Both Wheatley and L&M have "mouth"

Paul Brewster   Link to this

I to bed and about one in the morning
It's interesting that Wheatley (the Gutenberg source) puts this text on the previous day, the 6th of June. L&M puts it on the 7th of June and makes no note about textual confusion. In most case that we've seen so far, L&M add a textual note if the diary runs on from day to day with just a note in the margin. My surmise is that L&M printed what's in the shorthand and Wheatley printed what amounts to a correction.

According to L&M, the next 10 days (June 8 - 17) of diary entries are taken from rough notes and not from the normal careful transcriptions. There's a lot going on and SP doesn't seem to have enough time to give the diary his full attention.

Arbor   Link to this

Paul B writes, "There's a lot going on..." Oh, good... I can't wait to find out (Yes I know I can read it elsewhere, but THIS is the site)!

M.Stolzenbach   Link to this

Thanks, Paul.
Perhaps Pepys was one of those who sleep with their mouths open, and he just happened to be right where the scuppers (or whatever) directed the mopping water!

Emilio   Link to this

"in my mouth"

I picture the sailors washing the deck ABOVE the cabin, and the water coming cascading down between the boards.

And note the brief reminder of Sam's "naked bed" as he puts his gown on to try to sleep standing. Sleeping naked in the limited privacy of a ship is not something this American would ever try.

vincent   Link to this

“in my mouth” I wonder if that saying down the hatch came this incident? only kidding

Bill   Link to this

OK, as an American, I admit ignorance. Somebody, in the encyclopedia perhaps, tell me please what the "Presbyterians" (are they same as "fanaticks"?) really want. Now, especially. (I'm talking politically, not religiously.) Now, in June, do they really expect a national Presbyterian Church? Do they want more controls on the new king? (That sounds like a good idea.) What are they not "able to do" that they want to do. And that Parliament and the king don't want them to do.

Sasha Clarkson   Link to this

Start here Bill :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Knox

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterianism

Politically, the most important aspect of presbyterianism was opposition to Bishops and hierarchical authority in the Church.

Bill   Link to this

"Politically". So Sasha, you're saying that the Presbyterians (still) want Parliament to enforce this church structure for the entire country. That's all they want?

Bill   Link to this

This following from 1662 doesn't sound like a debate over church hierarchy.

"...this I am confident of, That our Presbyterians, take little care of any oaths tending to the safety, and peace of King, and Country; and therefore take what liberty they please to protest, knowing his Majesties mercy is such, that he had rather give them time to repent, for their former wickedness, and perjury, then put a period to their beings by the mode of Trussing; as they had done formerly to many of his most faithful Subjects."
---The history of the wicked plots and conspiracies of our pretended saints. H. Foulis, 1662.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

Bill, the 1662 statement may not "sound [to you] like a debate over church hierarchy," but it would have then.

One of the Oaths -- the Submission of the Clergy -- involves swearing fealty to the King as head of the church.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submission_of_the_... ), Anglicans saw this as "tending to the safety, and peace of King, and Country." Presbyterians had, in the Westminster Confession of 1646 stated: "There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ" (Chapter XXV section VI). ( http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/creeds3.iv.xvii... )

Bill   Link to this

This may have been more to the point. This is history written by the winning side in 1670 about what the Presbyterians were saying in 1642. The Presbyterians may have eventually won this argument.

It was also Preached and Printed by the Presbyterians to the same effect, (as Buchanan and Knox, Calvin and some others of the Sect had before delivered) That all Power was originally in the people of a State or Nation; in Kings no otherwise than by Delegation, or by way of Trust which Trust might be recalled when the People pleased.
...
That it was lawful for the Subjects to resist their Princes, even by force of Arms, and to raise Armies also, if need required, for the preservation of Religion, and the common Liberties. And finally, (for what else can follow such dangerous premises?) That Kings being only the sworn Officers of the Commonwealth, they might be called to an account, and punished in case of Male-Administration, even to Imprisonment, Deposition, and to Death it self, if lawfully convicted of it.
---Aerius Redivivus Or the History of the Presbyterians. P. Heylyn, 1670.

Dick Wilson   Link to this

I presume that the "People washing the deck" were sailors holystoning the decks. At three in the morning it had to be pitch black. Maybe there was moonlight. Besides being wet, it was a noisy task too, disturbing both the off watch and the VIP's below.

Bryan   Link to this

The quotes below are from the Wikipedia pages for "Presbyterianism" and "Episcopal polity". The key political point seems to be that under the Episcopal church governance there are bishops who are appointed by the king, whereas the Presbyterian didn't (don't) accept that there should be bishops at all.

"In 1647, by an act of the Long Parliament under the control of Puritans, the Church of England permitted Presbyterianism. The re-establishment of the monarchy in 1660 brought the return of Episcopal church government in England (and in Scotland for a short time); but the Presbyterian church in England continued in non-conformity, outside of the established church."

"Presbyterian government is by councils (known as courts) of elders. Teaching and ruling elders are ordained and convene in the lowest council known as a session or consistory responsible for the discipline, nurture, and mission of the local congregation."

"Episcopal polity is a form of church governance that is hierarchical in structure with the chief authority over a local Christian church resting in a bishop. ... Churches having episcopal polity are governed by bishops, who have authority over dioceses, conferences, or synods (in general referred to as a judicatory). Their presidency is both sacramental and political; as well as performing ordinations, confirmations, and consecrations, the bishop supervises the clergy within the judicatory and is the representative to both secular structures and in the hierarchy of the church. ... For much of the written history of Christianity, episcopal government was the only known form of church organization. This changed at the Reformation. Many Protestant churches are now organized by either congregational or presbyterian church polities,"

Bill   Link to this

Yesterday: "That Mr. Calamy had preached before the King in a surplice (this I heard afterwards to be false)."

I guess Presbyterians don't like surplices either.

william wright   Link to this

the water came pouring into my mouth"

I have worked on lots of old wooden sailing ships in my time and believe me
water comes through the decking like rain in some cases. Old tar and oakum
caulking would not have been the best in Sam's day so yes I can see him
getting water in his face while asleep as it has happened to me many a time.

Chris Squire UK   Link to this

The Civil Wars began because of the debacle of the two Bishop's wars in which Charles I attempted to impose bishops on the presbyterian Scots, who didn't want them. His defeat led to the recall of the English Parliament and his fatal quarrel with it in 1641:

' . . The Scots under Leslie and Montrose crossed the River Tweed, and Charles’ army retreated before them. In a short time, the invaders overran the whole of Northumberland and County Durham (see Battle of Newburn.) Charles had to leave the two counties in Scots hands as a pledge for the payment of Scots expenses when he agreed to peace and signed the Treaty of Ripon in October 1640. The impoverished King had to summon another parliament to grant him the supplies which he needed to make that payment . . [it] attacked his Government, impeaching (and eventually executing) his chief supporters, Strafford and Laud.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop%27s_Wars

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