Sunday 1 April 1660

(Lord’s day). Mr. Ibbott preached very well. After dinner my Lord did give me a private list of all the ships that were to be set out this summer, wherein I do discern that he bath made it his care to put by as much of the Anabaptists as he can. By reason of my Lord and my being busy to send away the packet by Mr. Cooke of the Nazeby, it was four o’clock before we could begin sermon again. This day Captain Guy come on board from Dunkirk, who tells me that the King will come in, and that the soldiers at Dunkirk do drink the King’s health in the streets. At night the Captain, Sir R. Stayner, Mr. Sheply, and I did sup together in the Captain’s cabin. I made a commission for Captain Wilgness, of the Bear, to-night, which got me 30s. So after writing a while I went to bed.

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David Quidnunc   Link to this

PEPYS CONSPIRACY EXPOSED!

Don't tell ME Samuel Pepys Esq. died 300 years ago. That's what they WANT you to believe!

Compare this portrait of Sam ...
http://www.hinchbk.cambs.sch.uk/historical/hinc...

With this picture ...
http://us.imdb.com/EGallery?source=ss&group=012...

And ask yourself -- have you EVER seen these two characters in the same room together?

I will note that the rotten "David Gale" movie involves deception involving a death and that the similarly rotten "K-Pax" involves aliens from space. (Get it? "Spacey" -- eh? EH??) Are these two rotten movies simply a detour in a great actor's career? Or are they REALLY a cry for help, offering clues to what actually happened?
But, you ask, WHY would he do it? Well, when he supposedly "died" the crown owed him thousands of pounds -- which were never paid. Seems to me the interest on that is mounting. Means. Motive. Opportunity. It's all there.

You don't have to believe me. Walk through life with your eyes closed if you like. But the truth is out there . . .

bchan   Link to this

More on Anabaptism at
http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/605/ .

Eric Walla   Link to this

Now, now, David, you're just trying ...

... to get Phil to dump one of your posts. But it does hit one of my favorite hobbies: picking actors to fill roles in fantasy movies.

Now on topic: would there have been specific ships "infested" with Anabaptists so Sam could make such a conclusion from the list of ships? Did they practice a form of segregation when manning the fleet?

And will Sam's extra income ever dry up? My Lord but he is putting aside quite a sum each day of service! I can't wait until he has a chance to start spending it and reveal his change in tastes.

wkw   Link to this

Or else, DQ---Separated at Birth! What political agenda was Wetnurse Nancy furthering when she swapped a Sandwich with a Samuel? Why did Pepys never bathe except for fear of revealing the incriminating birthmark? Who wrote Shakespeare's plays that Our Man in Axe Yard didn't like? Deception extends in all directions, and Honi soit qui mal y pense!

Keith Wright   Link to this

Monsieur Avril Poisson (may he rest in peace!) translates that Latin motto, once oft-seen on the scutcheon of many a bold knight, as "Dirt is in the eye of the beholder."

michael f vincent   Link to this

Eric Waller.."Did they practice a form of segregation when manning the fleet?"
Only birds of a feether. You bet they did. Except money was better. Thats why the 13 colonies- only way one could rise to the level of ones incompetence.
Anabaptist were considered "anti-social Heritics (C.Hill the century of revolution p.78,p108,p121,p203 for exception)
Poisson,poison are we sure? that the sp's short hand was up to snuff.

Pauline   Link to this

"...ships that were to be set out this summer..."
So how are we reading this? That "set out" means called into the drydock? A typo for "sent" in the opposite direction of the lowlands? As a force, the opposition would be a problem either to have along or to have cooling their heels wherever any possible, in-the-event, who-knows-what-might-be-the-offing landing of Charles might take place.

"to put by as much of the Anabaptists as he can"
I wonder if Sam is using the term more loosely than we are coming up with--to mean the most zealous of the roundheads.

Michael f vincent   Link to this

“…ships that were to be set out this summer…”
My guess it means "set up" meaning -get ready, prepare they have just received word that Charles is ready to sign up
Anabaptists-Cromwell only cared for the doers (a types), that was part of his success.

(see his list of men rising from on low to on high)

Pauline   Link to this

“to put by as much of the Anabaptists as he can”
But doesn't this sound like he wants them to the side? Out of the way? Put by?

kvk   Link to this

Anabaptists
After Monck announced his intention to oppose Lambert, he began purging 'Anabaptists' and Fifth Monarchists from his army. The term Anabaptists is applied somewhat loosely at this point - to General and Particular Baptists, for instance - but it's not a general term for zealots. It carries implications of extreme radicalism and subversion, primarily because of the lingering memory of the Munster community of the 1530s (Munster was mentioned frequently in civil war pamphlets). The Baptists have not been doing much lately, but in uncertain times Monck and others aren't willing to extend trust to a group that has been a traditional source of fear.

This Baptist history page mentions some of the suspicions floating around at this time:
http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/bgc.htm

"Many spoke of what the "Anabaptists" in the Army were about to do. The old stories of Münster were revived, and new editions of scurrilous writings against the Baptists were published. Among such accusations included:

1 Opposition to magistracy
2 Desiring to destroy the public ministry of the nation.
3 Countenancing the Quakers in their irregular practices.
4 Endeavoring "a toleration of all miscarriages in things ecclesiastical and civil, underpretense of Liberty of Conscience."
5 Desiring to "murder and destroy" those who differ from Baptists in matters of religion."

Mary   Link to this

all the ships that were to be set out this summer

OED. SET:149c Set out.
To fit out a ship, fleet, for a voyage, to equip for an expedition.

Paul Brewster   Link to this

Do we have a question of spelling here? Is it "Captain John Wilgress" per entry in the People section or "Captain Wilgness" as the diary entry says?

Phil   Link to this

I imagine it's a scanning error in the diary entry.

Emilio   Link to this

Religious outsiders
All this talk of Anabaptists today reminds me of the street persecutions of Quakers only a couple of months back (see entries for 7 and 11 Feb). In both cases I’m sure the causes are similar: they’re religious minorities, are critical of contemporary society, and are very public in their refusal to conform. In turbulent times, they’re both seen as unreliable elements and treated accordingly.
The major difference seems to be that Anabaptists have an even worse reputation, due to events from more than a century back. When will it be the Papists’ turn, I wonder?

Michael   Link to this

I'm slightly confused here.

Has the fleet set out on its voyage yet? If not, why are they all on board, are they waiting for fair weather?

(Been reading this excellent version of Pepys' diary for a while, but this is my first question!)

- Michael

Paul Brewster   Link to this

I guess I should have pointed out that my edition of Wheatley(1892) has the spelling as "Wilgness". So the problem seems to go deeper ...
Does anyone know if any attempt been made to publish all or portions of the original diary in facsimile? I'm curious about the problem of translating the shorthand.

Pauline   Link to this

Michael, to get "slightly" unconfused
see the discussion for the March 18 entry. They lie "a little below Gravesend" in the Thames at present. They are very busy taking over the fleet and getting it organized under its new commanders, Monck and Montagu.

gerry   Link to this

Re Paul,s question, there is an extensive discussion of this and related matters in L&M Vol.1

Terry Foreman   Link to this

Phil links to Capt. Wilgress, per L&M's Companion and Index. http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/609/
Capt. John Wilgress is well-attested by other sources, e.g. http://anglo-dutch-wars.blogspot.com/2005/02/en...
Pepys may have written what he's so far heard the name sound like. He tends to be a phonetic speller, and will change a name's spelling over time as he hears it more clearly or sees it written.

Terry Foreman   Link to this

Emilio asked "When will it be the Papists’ turn, I wonder?"

March 8 Commons had taken up Popish recusants, et al. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?co...

Mr. Pryn reports, a Proclamation for putting the Laws and Statutes against Jesuits, Popish Priests, and Recusants, in speedy and effectual Execution: Which was read.

Ordered, That it be referred to Serjeant Glyn, Mr. Attorney of the Duchy, Lord St. John, Serjeant Maynard, Colonel Harley, Serjeant Twisden, Mr. Solicitor Ellys, Mr. Pryn, or any Two of them, to bring an effectual short Proclamation for putting the Laws and Statutes against Jesuits, Popish Priests, and Recusants, in speedy and effectual Execution: And Serjeant Glyn is to take care of it.

Dick Wilson   Link to this

Are Pepys & Montague aboard the Swiftsure or the Naseby?

Each summer, a portion of the fleet was "set out", ie, it went to sea, cruising about, keeping trouble away from the shore. The rest of the fleet stayed in port.

A ship with an Anabaptist Captain would likely have a crew largely recruited by him, and he would appoint or select the petty officers, etc., and the ship would largely assume his character. What Monague was doing was to put ships captained by Anabaptists at the bottom of the list for victuals, paint, gunpowder, rope, canvass -- supplies and stores of all kinds, and deferring maintenance on their ships, so they would stay in harbor, grow old and rot.

Weavethe hawk   Link to this

The diary of Ralph Josselin is worth a look. It runs contemporaneously with Sam's diary, but is years longer. The man was a little too effusive with his devotions to God, but he was, after all, vicar of Earls Colne in Essex for many years. Not as detailed or interesting as Sam's observations, but an interesting insight into rural English life of this period. His details concerning prices of everyday commodities are fascinating.

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