Monday 28 April 1662

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• N Todd Bernhardt on Thu 28 Apr 2005, 11:17pm

  re: “which I now perceive is one thing that hath put Sir William so long off the hooks.”

  Could someone help with this? I understand that Penn Sr. believes that Owen is a bad influence on Penn Jr., but I’m not sure what the phrase above means.

• N Nix on Thu 28 Apr 2005, 11:19pm

  “hath put Sir William so long off the hooks” —

  From OED:

  15. off the hooks. (Cf. off the hinges, HINGE n. 5.) a. Out of proper condition; out of order;

• N Bob T on Thu 28 Apr 2005, 11:39pm

  that hath put Sir William so long off the hooks.

  He’s been freaked out. Right?

• N A. Hamilton on Thu 28 Apr 2005, 11:49pm

  Send that troublesome boy to the wilderness.

• N Robert Gertz on Fri 29 Apr 2005, 12:17am

  So young radical Penn Jr. has started on his course, eh? A son who speaks out against war and violence and to view all as brothers and sisters must be no small burden to the conquerer of Jamaica (who no doubt must have a sleepless night or two remembering how he conquered Jamaica for Cromwell and co…Including a few old comrades at whose drawing and quartering he had to cheer…). Lucky for Sir Will, Charles II has an amused liking for Quakers.
  
  Well, it’s the 60s and all the fault of that liberal university education.

• N A. De Araujo on Fri 29 Apr 2005, 12:19am

  “to show me some anatomy”
  Can’t wait to see how SP is going to react to this anatomy lesson;not for the faint of heart.
  

• N Robert Gertz on Fri 29 Apr 2005, 12:19am

  This seems one time when if Beth could read the Diary she’d be pleasantly surprised…Or perhaps vexed at finding nothing to charge Sam with.

• N Robert Gertz on Fri 29 Apr 2005, 12:35am

  Beth gets her hands on this entry…

  Sam, smug in his innocence, despite worry over seeing she has learned his shorthand…

  “What is this?…Milord will show you some anatomy?! Mr. Pepys?! Whose anatomy?! It is Lady Castlemaine’s, isn’t?” Eyes narrow… “It’s that Mrs. Pierce, I see it all now. I remember she was there last year in Portsmouth! Ah, yes…”

  Pepys sinks down into chair…

• N Cumgranissalis on Fri 29 Apr 2005, 03:37am

  “…I now perceive is one thing that hath put Sir William so long off the hooks…” converse it be to put one on the hook for “-“: hook was a much beloved tool to keep a bag of blah or carcase under control while one moved a piece of dead meat from one location to the the butchers block,.then there be the bill hook for gathering of grasses be they good for hay or thrashing of kernals. Of course one can sling ones ‘ook , i.e. get the ‘ell out of Guverners way.
  Here, I doth think it mean that Sir Wm. has no further control or influence over his Jr. and thereby veddy much in his cups [fowl mood],because son not heed papas advice. Father forgets he at this same age was in charge of many men, who obeyed Papas every whim, totherwise the victim maybe even keel hawled for not harkin to the word..
  

• N Australian Susan on Fri 29 Apr 2005, 03:45am

  Anatomy was also used as a term for skeletons or parts of bodies or small creatures, such as could be viewed under a microscope. It may not have been an invitation to come and watch a dissection or some such.

• N JWB on Fri 29 Apr 2005, 04:02am

  “…off the hooks.”
  I’d think an Admiral off the hooks would simply mean he’s adrift.

• N JWB on Fri 29 Apr 2005, 04:18am

  Dr. Owen
  Owen was no Quaker. Jr. did not join the Friends until ‘67 when he again met with Thomas Loe.

• N Todd Bernhardt on Fri 29 Apr 2005, 02:17pm

  re: “Owen was no Quaker”

  Good point, JWB. In any case, Penn Jr. is not treading the accepted path (ah, the thrill of youthful rebellion!), and Dad’s none the happier for it.

  Thanks all, for the off-the-hooks definitions and discussion…

• N A. De Araujo on Fri 29 Apr 2005, 08:15pm

  “anatomy”
  Thanks Australian Susan,on second thought Sam would stand watching dissection very well, he has witnessed many gory executions without being squeamish about it.
  “philosophy discourse”
  Who would they be quoting?

• N Cumgranissalis on Fri 29 Apr 2005, 10:34pm

  philosophy discourse:?possible selection:
  St. Augustine (354

• N Nix on Fri 29 Apr 2005, 11:31pm

  Philosophy discourse —

  My guess is they were discussing what we would now call “natural science”, rather than the more abstract or theoretical sense in which we use the word “philosophy”. At that time, the term covered both uses, but Samuel’s interests seem to me to lie much more in the physical realm — especially considering the context in which it appears.

  When I took a course on Shakespeare in college, I was told that Hamlet’s declaration that “there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosphy” referred to “natural philosophy”, i.e., science, not Aristotle or Aquinas.

• N Robert Gertz on Sat 30 Apr 2005, 12:46am

  Admiral Sir Will Penn to Pepys…

  “Ah, if only his mother had let me send the damned rogue of a boy to sea at nine as I wished. There’d be none of this damned radical nonsense about him now.”

  Pepys makes mental resolution to chat with young Penn as to “damned radical nonsense”…

  Hmmn, well it could be worse…In the 1760’s young Penn might have supported the early stirrings of the American Revolution. In the 1860’s Irish home rule, emancipation of the Russian serfs and American black slaves, and the early stirrings of socialism. And then there’s the 1960’s.

  It could be worse, Sir Will…

• N Cumgranissalis on Sat 30 Apr 2005, 02:56am

  “…It could be worse, Sir Will..” yep tis tru, he could be a total wastrel like many an elder son of a succesfull character, and then be known as a ‘Sot’ or else be like King John and lose half the Kingdom.

• N Ruben on Sat 30 Apr 2005, 05:35am

  philosophy: I tend to agree with Nix.
  Then I liked Vincent’s list of hypothetic topics of discussion.
  Only that to discuss Baruch Spinoza was a little early.
  Citing Descartes by name in those days could be something of a risk and Pepys would hear but not comment, I think.
  Dr. Clarke was also a surviver, so probably they did not discussed Descartes at all.

• N Glyn on Sun 1 May 2005, 08:51pm

  John Locke is only about 6 months older than Pepys and they both frequented the tavern called the Hercules Pillars

  http://www.pepysdiary.com/p/1432.php

  so he might have talked philosophy with him, but we’ll never know (apparently he never appears in the Diary).

  However, I also think that Nix has the right interpretion of this.

• N Terry F on Fri 11 May 2007, 02:47am

  This Day in the House of Lords

  Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, “An Act for preventing the frequent Abuses in printing seditious, treasonable, and unlicensed Books and Pamphlets, and for regulating of Printing and Printing Presses.”

  The Question being put, “Whether this Bill shall pass?”

  It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

  From: ‘House of Lords Journal Volume 11: 28 April 1662’, Journal of the House of Lords: volume 11: 1660-1666, pp. 438-40. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=14271&strquery=%22regulating%20of%20Printing%20%22#s4 Date accessed: 11 May 2007.

  Licensing of the Press Act 1662
  [an article that ends with a link to the Act’s full text)
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licensing_of_the_Press_Act_1662

  This Act renews/amends previous such Acts — in the Interregnum (Acts of 20 Sept. 1649, 7 January, 1652/3.) and the Tudor period ACTS CONCERNING PRINTING (1530-85), (A) Proclamation against Erroneous Books (1530), (B) Decree in Star Chamber concerning Books (1566) in which the Wardens of the Stationers Company were given censorship responsibility, and C) Decree in Star Chamber Concerning Printers (1585)
  http://www.constitution.org/sech/sech_085.htm