Friday 6 December 1661

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• N Pedro. on Mon 6 Dec 2004, 11:06pm

  “that tickled Sir W. Pen, he seemed to take these words very captiously and angrily,”

  Strange use of the word tickled? Most often used to mean the opposite, amused?

• N upper_left_hand_corner on Mon 6 Dec 2004, 11:08pm

  Maybe it’s like the way we now say “ticked off” …

• N Glyn on Mon 6 Dec 2004, 11:35pm

  Or that she actually did have some slap-and-tickle with Penn,

  http://www.allwords.com/word-slap%20and%20tickle.html

  and he was angry with Pepys for talking about it; or that she ‘tickled his fancy’

  http://www.freesearch.co.uk/dictionary/tickle+your+fancy

  i.e. Penn found her attractive, and he’s annoyed at Pepys for telling everyone else? I’m glad Penn gave Pepys a lift home though.

• N Nix on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 12:06am

  Tickle —

  In addition to the current usage, the online 1913 Webster’s gives these obsolete ones that better fit Samuel’s context:

  “2. Liable to change; uncertain; inconstant. [Obs.]

  “The world is now full tickle, sikerly. Chaucer.

  “So tickle is the state of earthy things. Spenser.

  “3. Wavering, or liable to waver and fall at the slightest touch; unstable; easily overthrown. [Obs.]

  “Thy head stands so tickle on thy shoulders, that a milkmaid, if she be in love, may sigh it off. Shak.”

  
  http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=tickle

• N RexLeo on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 01:05am

  “…after dinner, by appointment, came the Governors of the East India Company, to sign and seal the contract between us1 (in the King’s name) and them.”

  Wow! the beginnings of the British Raj!

• N vicenzo on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 03:24am

  What was the contract?: To supply guns and ships to ward off the pirates and other scavengers of loot of the spices et al.? The reward being?

• N vicenzo on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 03:34am

  Tick: ‘tis an interesting little word. there is tick tock like the beetle on the clock, such annoying sound, or when the tick nips ye skin that ye be tickled pink [red blotches]. I would be ticked off too when somebody told me,that my eyes were bug eyed over a wench when I wish to be cautious about heaving to.

• N Alan Bedford on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 03:51am

  “…that tickled Sir W. Pen…”

  I read that more on the line of “irritated”. Anyone have access to the OED?

• N A. De Araujo on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 04:14am

  “who promised to be very careful of the India trade to the utmost”
  careful about what?why?

• N Clement on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 04:36am

  It seems vincenzo must be right—the old salt had a sweet spot for the maid, and was perturbed beyond words to have Sam make light of it.

  Sir W.Penn knew well enough that denial would make him a buffoon, and proclamation would have been preposterous. So he was snookered into a red-faced silence.
  He certainly wished that damn Batten hadn’t mentioned the 3 Tuns, or that prattling Pepys had kept his pie-hole shut.
  Another great observation blog for Sam.

• N Jesse on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 04:47am

• N Clement on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 05:13am

  Re: “very careful of the India trade”
  
  The English had recently warred once with the Dutch by this time (1652-54) with more to come, so gaining the protection of the erstwhile enemy would have been important to the stockholders of the Dutch company.

  The first Anglo-Dutch war:
  “…was precipitated by Oliver Cromwell. Cromwell demanded tribute for herring caught within 30 miles of England (a practice begun by the Stuarts), required all ships in the Channel to salute English warships [the ‘striking’ Sam recently wrote of] and passed the Navigation Act that required all goods imported to England be carried in English ships or ships of the country where the goods originated. The Navigation Act and the salute particularly angered the Dutch.”
  http://www.contemplator.com/history/dutchwar.html

  I suspect that the Navigation Act was one law maintained after the Restoration, and would have been anathema to the importing East India Co.

• N Clement on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 05:31am

  re: East India Company
  though it would make more sense for this reference to be the English East India Company (oy)
  http://www.victorianweb.org/history/empire/eic.html

  “In 1661 the company obtained Bombay from Charles II and converted it to a flourishing centre of trade.”
  http://www.webindia123.com/history/modern/english_east_india_company.htm
  

• N Joe on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 06:42am

  Speaking with the King
  Is this the first time that Sam has mentioned directly speaking with the King, or did I misunderstand that?

• N Mary on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 07:41am

  tickle:verb transitive.

  OED sense 7: to vex, irritate or provoke; used ironically. Examples are quoted from the 16th to the late 17th century, but none later than that.

  e.g. Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2: “She’s tickled now, her Fume needs no spurs.”

• N andy on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 09:03am

  I was saying that, that tickled …

  Although Sir W. Pen was offended, evidently, by Sam’s prattle, that doesn’t necessarily imply that he had had any form of liaison with the daughter/maid, or any interest in her whatsoever. Maybe he just wished Sam would shut up for once about his a-drinking and a-womanising, maybe he didn’t want to be associated in Batten’s mind with this youngster who was keen to demonstrate his knowledge of every pub and maid in London. Certainly Sam got the message.

• N Robert Gertz on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 10:26am

  Judging by Diary entries, Sir W. Penn has been Sam’s companion on many a play and tavern afternoon. I’d guess he feels the young Clerk of the Acts whom he’s befriended has gone a little too far and embarrassed him in front of a fellow titled officer.

• N Martin on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 01:13pm

  Joe’s question: Is this the first time that Sam has mentioned directly speaking with the King, or did I misunderstand that?
  Quite a crowd went to see the King: Pepys, Carteret, Williams, and all the Governors of the East India Company — Pepys may not actually have gotten a word in edgewise.

• N gerry on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 03:55pm

  Tickle. I was recently in a to-die-for pastry shop nearby and was asked by one of the assistants ‘Does anything tickle your fancy’ an expression I have heard all my life on both sides of the Atlantic.Stimulate seems the best tranalation in this sense.

• N Glyn on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 04:15pm

  It seems that the last time Penn and Pepys were together at the Three Tuns was on Wednesday 2 days ago, when Penn paid the bill for Sam’s dinner (and this is how he repays him!).

• N A. De Araujo on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 05:10pm

  “Sir William Penn……and angrily”
  he seems to have such a short fuse! remember the road rage episode a while ago when he pulled someone from his horse!

• N Pedro. on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 05:13pm

  What was the contract?

  As Tangier, to be handed over in January, Bombay was not ceded to the English until 1665 see

• N vicenzo on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 08:34pm

  The rest: BUCKINGHAM. Lord Cardinal, I will follow Eleanor,

  And listen after Humphrey, how he proceeds.

  She’s tickled now; her fume needs no spurs,

  She’ll gallop far enough to her destruction. Exit

  
  http://www.4english.cn/works/English%20Literature/S/WILLIAM%20SHAKESPEARE(1564-1616)/KING%20HENRY%20THE%20SIXTH-2.txt

• N vicenzo on Tue 7 Dec 2004, 08:44pm

  change of direction in the meaning of a word: take My “dreaded” Sir {meaning I’m in absolute obeyance [and respect] of your command} in a letter that would be address to the Royal, now the inference is I’m scared B***** stiff of your power and I don’t like it and I don’t respect ye either.[such a dreadfull old blah]

• N slangist on Wed 8 Dec 2004, 04:03am

  Once More Unto The Bard, Dear Friends

  Best US translation here “quick on the trigger”:

  Hamlet II, ii: “…the clown shall make those laugh whose lungs are tickle o

• N Glyn on Mon 13 Dec 2004, 03:28pm

  A little Darling?

  Thomas Darling owned the Three Tuns from 1641 to 1657. We don’t know who succeeded him, but if he kept it in the family by passing it to his son, that would make the girl here Ms Darling.

  If we go back to the entry for November 1st: “[the landlord] and his fayre sister (who is very great with Sir W. Batten and Sir W. Pen in mirth)” it seems that she was on easy terms with Sir William.

• N Patricia on Sat 22 Jul 2006, 11:38pm

  Joe & Martin: I can’t cite the dates, but Pepys had spoken with the King before he ever came to England, and on board the ship that brought him, and on at least one other occasion after his return.

• N Aqua on Sun 23 Jul 2006, 06:03am

  Patricia: “…I can’t cite the dates…”
  17th May ‘60: go to archive for May ‘60
  but first we went and dined at a French house, but paid 16s. for our part of the club. At dinner in came Dr. Cade, a merry mad parson of the King’s. And they two after dinner got the child and me (the others not being able to crowd in) to see the King, who kissed the child very affectionately. Then we kissed his, and the Duke of York’s, and the Princess Royal’s hands. The King seems to be a very sober man; and a very splendid Court he hath in the number of persons of quality that are about him, English very rich in habit. From the King to the Lord Chancellor, who did lie bed-rid of the gout: he spoke very merrily to the child and me
  http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1660/05/17/

  http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1660/05/15/

  
  . The King, with the two Dukes and Queen of Bohemia, Princess Royal, and Prince of Orange, came on board, where I in their coming in kissed the King’s, Queen’s, and Princess’s hands, having done the other before.
  All the afternoon the King walked here and there, up and down (quite contrary to what I thought him to have been), very active and stirring. Upon the quarterdeck he fell into discourse of his escape from Worcester,1 where it made me ready to weep to hear the stories
  http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1660/05/23/

  http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1660/05/17/

  http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1660/05/15/

  
  I spoke with the Duke of York about business, who called me Pepys by name, and upon my desire did promise me his future favour.
  ….

  After dinner the King and Duke altered the name of some of the ships, viz. the Nazeby into Charles; the Richard, James; the Speakers Mary; the Dunbar (which was not in company with us), the Henry; Winsly, Happy Return; Wakefield, Richmond; Lambert; the Henrietta; Cheriton, the Speedwell; Bradford, the Success.