Thursday 8 August 1661

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• N A Hamilton on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 02:10am

  Mornink

  A day of ill humors.

• N Louis on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 02:21am

  “my Lord comes not all the afternoon, which made me mad and gives all the world reason to talk of his delaying of business, as well as of his severity and ill using of the Clerks of the Privy Seal.”

  How would The World know—-apart from a few disgruntled customers—-unless the Clerks broadcast it? Ill humours, indeed.

• N Robert Gertz on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 02:23am

  “…but my Lord Privy Seal came not all the morning…Back again to the Privy Seal; but my Lord comes not all the afternoon, which made me mad and gives all the world reason to talk of his delaying of business, as well as of his severity and ill using of the Clerks of the Privy Seal.”

  Geesh and after poor Mr. Moore went running to Sam last night to get him to be there on time…Ill using, indeed…Aristocratic jackass!

• N A. De Araujo on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 02:31am

  “Mons Eschar” Last week it was Mr Whore
  now we have Monsieur Eschar!Is he trying to be funny?
  

• N vicente on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 02:38am

  “Mornink”: & there be I, doth think that it was Bow Bells be in ‘is speech.
  souldier [soldier] separates the one who pushes doggedly on from the one that unites [solder] [metals of course]
  No talk of saddle sores?

• N vicente on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 02:49am

  London doth attract many from beyond Calais straits. Many a person doth like their title, be wot it may, and they doth insist that thee use it too, none of that equality clap trap by those fanatiques. As noted by Sam, The ferrignier did get in our Mr Mage’s goat [throat] royally .

• N daniel on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 03:11am

  Mornink

  surely this is quite antiquated, no? I have not encountered this type of variant before in English.

• N Mary on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 07:42am

  L&M reads ‘morning’ not ‘mornink’

  so the latter could be a mis-scanning error.

• N Matthew on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 11:17am

  Mad:
  this meaning of the word has largely, if not completely, died out in England.

• N Mary on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 12:09pm

  mad

  This usage may have died out in certain areas or within certain age-groups, but is still commonly to be heard, at least in the south of England.

• N Anthony on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 12:44pm

  Mad = angry, presumably. Surely this is commonplace in UK and USA , not just southern England?

• N Bob T on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 12:47pm

  mad
  This expression is in common every day use in North America, and has been for as long as I can remember.

• N Matthew on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 02:03pm

  Mad:
  It seems I was too categorical, but a Google on “Mad” restricted to U.K. sites yielded no examples of this usage in the 1st 10 pages, whereas a search restricted to U.S. sites yielded 4.

• N David A. Smith on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 03:52pm

  “and in praise of the French that made him mad”
  Regarding the question about whether it still means angry, to quote Peter Finch from Network, “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it any more!!”
  Following are the many derivations of mad=angry in common US parlance:

  ‘Boiling mad’
  ‘Hopping mad’
  ‘So mad he can’t see straight’
  ‘Madder than a wet hen’ (Language Hat, please analyze!)

  And as for someone becoming mad when hearing speech against the English and in praise of the French … well, Mr. Mage seems entirely well named!

• N Glyn on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 04:42pm

  “I’m mad about my flat”

  In UK English - I’m delighted with my apartment.

  In US English - I’m angry about my flat tire (tyre).

• N Glyn on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 05:52pm

  The shorter Oxford English Dictionary gives the definition of

• N Pedro. on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 06:36pm

  In defence of English Musick.

  As Mr.Mage is a member of the King

• N Jesse on Mon 9 Aug 2004, 10:08pm

  “…of musique Mons. Eschar spoke so much against the English”

  From a short biography of English composer John Jenkins (1592-1698) “during the Commonwealth of Cromwell [there was an] absence of much competition or orgainised music-making”.
  http://www.free-definition.com/John-Jenkins.html

  Given the recent history, perhaps there wasn’t much Sam could say.

  
  

• N john lauer on Tue 10 Aug 2004, 02:34am

  Webster: eschar
  n … (1543): a scab formed esp. after a burn

• N Mary on Tue 10 Aug 2004, 07:39am

  Tight-lipped Sam.

  IF Mons. Eschar is the same person as Mons. Esquier ( tentatively suggested by L&M Companion), then Sam’s failure to argue on Mage’s behalf may simply be politic, as Esquier was servant to Edward Montagu

• N jean-paul buquet on Tue 10 Aug 2004, 09:27am

  - Are you mad? - I’m furious!
  Who can forget Rowan Atkinson’s play on the double meaning of “furious” in his legendary sketch ‘Fatal Beatings’. Atkinson plays an English school principal who breaks the news to a pupil’s father that

• N Pedro. on Tue 10 Aug 2004, 10:34am

  “funny in the London of the 1660’s”

  I’m sure someone can enlighten us, but the term “Restoration Comedy” springs to mind.

  See also Background for Plays..

  http://www.pepysdiary.com/p/289.php

• N Nigel Pond on Tue 10 Aug 2004, 02:46pm

  I use “mad” in both meanings cited by Glyn and have done since I was a kid growing up in Manchester. It didn’t even cross my mind that either usage may be uncommon depending on one’s locale…

• N Nigel Pond on Tue 10 Aug 2004, 02:56pm

  I just thought of a US example of “mad” with the UK meaning: the sitcom “Mad About You”. At least I had always assumed it was that meaning…

• N Ruben on Tue 10 Aug 2004, 04:22pm

  Errata:
  John Jenkins (1592-1678)

• N A. De Araujo on Tue 10 Aug 2004, 09:53pm

  “Mad”
  You are all invited to a Mad Hatter tea party…

• N vicente on Tue 10 Aug 2004, 10:21pm

  Don’t forget Mr Butler: aka Mons. l