Thursday 14 March 1660/61

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• N Alan Bedford on Sun 14 Mar 2004, 11:52pm

  “A King and No King” (circa 1611) is a Beaumont and Fletcher play, considered one of the masterpieces of their collaboration. Some information on Beaumont: http://search.eb.com/shakespeare/micro/58/62.html

  and Fletcher: http://search.eb.com/shakespeare/micro/211/91.html

  Here’s a quote:
  “It shew’d discretion, the best part of valor.”

  Here’s the complete text of the play: http://www.ex.ac.uk/~pellison/BF/noking/frameset.htm

• N Bradford on Mon 15 Mar 2004, 01:44am

  “with Mr. Creed to an alehouse, where he told me a long story of his amours at Portsmouth to one of Mrs. Boat

• N Susan on Mon 15 Mar 2004, 03:53am

  An earlier link gave us more information about Mr Gauden (later Sir Dennis Gauden). His old home is now a school for children with special needs. Link to website with map, v. small aerial view and small picture of the house
  http://www.treloar.org.uk/school/index2.html

• N vincent on Mon 15 Mar 2004, 03:58am

  I wonder what the advice was?
  “…where he did ask my advice about his amours, and I did give him it…”

  one thought from Plautus , Persa, 1-2
  Qui amans egens ingressus est princeps in Amoris vias, superavit aerumis suis aerumnas Herculi.
  Have money , no money [empy purse]is taking on a huge task , my version.

• N Mary on Mon 15 Mar 2004, 08:01am

  .. to have my hand to all the bills ..

  L&M notes that the Clerk to the Acts had performed these duties in former times, but that as the business grew in volume they had been delegated to others. The ‘Admiral’s Instructions’ of 1662 were to give the Clerk power of supervision over the works

• N Emilio on Mon 15 Mar 2004, 12:59pm

  “he did ask my advice … and I did give him it”

  The way I read it, his advice was simply to find out about the competition, which Sam then courteously offered to do for him. I imagine the puritanical Creed coming to Sam, in love perhaps for the first time, and completely flummoxed by it. He needs someone to start him off at square one (“So she has another suitor? What do you know about him?”), and Sam is an excellent one to boil things down to their practical essentials.

  I also imagine Sam is delighted to have such an intimate window into Creed’s life, and happy to take part in moving things along. Tomalin describes (pp. 168-171) how he will later be in heaven when he’s entrusted with the preparations for Mrs. Jem’s wedding.
  

• N Andrew Hamilton on Mon 15 Mar 2004, 05:29pm

• N Brad W on Mon 15 Mar 2004, 06:17pm

  Discretion and valor….I wonder whether this was already a common Elizabethan saw when Shakespeare put it into Sir JOhn Falstaff

• N vincent on Mon 15 Mar 2004, 06:48pm

  “…It shew

• N Alan Bedford on Mon 15 Mar 2004, 10:46pm

• N Todd Bernhardt on Tue 16 Mar 2004, 01:35am

  re: Creed and Sam

  I find it interesting that these rivals have gotten so close lately. More evidence of Sam’s growing self-confidence, perhaps?

• N Mary on Tue 16 Mar 2004, 09:23am

  Creed and Sam

  One possible reason for their recent closeness is that Creed is employing the well-worn political tactic of trying to get yourself into better books with your professional rival by seeking help with a personal and intimate matter. It’s a form of flattery that doesn’t always work, but can be useful.

• N The Bishop on Fri 19 Mar 2004, 10:55am

  Almost all Elizabethan writers - including Shakespeare - filled out their books with well-known maxims, usually drawn from classical sources. It wasn’t considered unusual. Many insights attributed to Shakespeare were in fact commonplaces that he was expressing anew.