Thursday 31 January 1660/61

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• N Nix on Sat 31 Jan 2004, 11:59pm

  Argalus and Parthenia —

  The play is by Henry Glapthorne, based upon a portion of Sir Philip Sidney’s Arcadia.

• N Emilio on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 02:04am

  Argalus and Parthenia

  Further info per L&M: written between 1632 and 1638, published in 1639, and now presented for the first time since the Restoration (seemingly not the first time ever).
  

• N Emilio on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 02:23am

  Uncle Robert

  L&M also note that Sam is uncle Robert’s heir, and the health of that branch of the family is thus a vital concern for him. Sam is in an awkward position - God forbid anything should happen, but if it did …

  I’m sure this has been discussed before on the site, but I can’t quite find where.
  

• N vincent on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 02:28am

  lots of info google to sought who plagurised who.
  Francis Quales 1592 1644 (Christs Coll: Camb B.A., 1608)
  quote “..Milton was forces to wait until the world had done amiring Quarles Horace Walpole …”
  Argalus and Parthenia `1629 written by Quarles. It was long versed romance derived from Sidneys [Sir Philip Sidney 1554 1586]Arcadia
  for details see http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/quarles/quarlesbio.htm
  http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/sidney.htm
  plot summary books I,II,III
  http://www.cc.utah.edu/~mp2434/522arc.html

  segment book III at
  http://www.cc.utah.edu/~mp2434/522arc3.html

  for the play
  http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/quarles/quarlesbib.htm#argalus
  “…Hos ego versiculos
  Like to the damaske rose you see,
  or like the blossome on the tree,
  or like the dainte flower in may,…”
  …..
  to see the cover page http://www.library.pitt.edu/libraries/is/enroom/chapbooks/169.htm

  
  

• N Lawrence on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 09:37am

  “Ah ha Emilio?” if aunt Ann was to depart this world and uncle Robert re-married
  might that not introduce new heirs to the will, which I guess uncle Robert is still at liberty to change when it should suit him? (poor Sam having such things to worry him.)

• N Xjy on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 09:55am

  good, though wronged by my over great expectations, as all things else are

  Here we have a tremendous clue to Sam’s relationship to his diary. A new age is dawning full of possibilities for precisely someone like Sam — and he’s exploring it for all he’s worth — as if it’s the end of the rainbow hiding his pot of gold. Eager, curious and energetic beyond the bounds of his social-climbing bourgeois self-centredness! When he masters his expectations, he’ll stop writing…

• N J A Gioia on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 12:55pm

  …wronged by my over great expectations

  i was struck by this line too, but in regards to dickens’ novel of the little country boy raised up several notches in the class system by powerful friends whom he then must struggle to come to terms with.

  sound familiar?

  clearly dickens did not have access to the diary and it is remarkable that two such giants of english letters should find the same words, 200 years apart, to describe what was perhaps for the gaining british empire a fundamental sensibility.

• N A. De Araujo on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 01:44pm

  “great expectations” Oh come on, he was expecting the play to be better than it actually was; and this happen to all of us a lot of times!

• N Bardi on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 02:28pm

  Why was Thomas referred to as both “The Red” and “The Black”? To do with his trade? Hair? Politics? And in the genealogy, dates for the Pepys family run from 1273-1887. Had the entire family died out by 1887, or is it because further descendants were no longer of any prominence?
  

• N Judith Boles on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 03:15pm

  What are “deals”, that need a ship to be carried to Lynne? Is this the first mention of the ship, “Gift”?

• N Lawrence on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 05:10pm

  Judith I think you’ll find that they are lengths of timber being carried to King’s Lynn, and from there via the Ouse to Hinchingbrooke, My Lord is doing some alterations to the house. I think also the making of a new staircase to, hope somebody might add to this and also mention the Guift.

• N mary on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 05:16pm

  The deals

  are the timbers that are being transported to Sandwich’s country seat. They will be used for renovation work. This was discussed on 29th December and 8th January.
  

• N Stewart on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 06:03pm

  The “Gift” (also “Gift Minor”) was a 16 gun ship of the Royal Navy, of 128 tons by measurement. She was the former Spanish “Bon Jesus” captured in 1658, and eventually sold in 1667.

  This dramatically demonstrated how effective transportation of any heavy goods was by water rather than on the roads of the time.

• N Hic retearius on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 06:29pm

• N vincent on Sun 1 Feb 2004, 09:09pm

  Ah no more spittal,”…so I eat a mouthfull of dinner there, and thence to the Theatre, and there sat in the pit among the company of fine ladys, &c.; and the …” no sneaking peaks? pay a fair price and enjoy the ambiance and perfume.

• N Bradford on Mon 2 Feb 2004, 01:52am

  “good, though wronged by my over great expectations, as all things else are”

  Sam hopes for great things from life, in matters large and small, and (endearingly) keeps on hoping for them—-since, as another Sam said a century later, “Yet it is necessary to hope, though hope should always be deluded; for hope itself is happiness, and its frustrations, however frequent, are less dreadful than its extinction.”
  (Johnson, “The Idler,” 58)

• N Kevin Sheerstone on Mon 2 Feb 2004, 08:37am

  Bardi: Thomas ‘The Red’/’The Black’

  Somebody who knows more about Pepys’ family than I do will probably answer your question in full, but the need to distinguish people in this manner stems from the curious (to us) practice of giving the same name to two or more children. This gave rise to a need for ‘descriptives’, e.g. John the Fair, John the Short and so on. Strange but true.

• N Glyn on Wed 4 Feb 2004, 04:27pm

  I think that giving different children the same name was a reflection on the high rate of child mortality at this time: if you were to name your offspring after the father/grandfather or favoured relative it would be better to do it more than once in the hope that at least one would grow into adulthood. If they both did, then that was a bonus.

• N Captain Caveman on Wed 4 Feb 2004, 06:06pm

  Can someone cite some evidence that parents would give the same name to two living children? I know that if a child died his name might be reassigned to a child born after his death, but I’ve never heard of a family in which two brothers were given the same first name.

• N Jackie on Wed 4 Feb 2004, 07:34pm

  Two Centuries earlier, the Paston family (whose letters illuminate the 15th Century) had two brothers both called John, as was their father.

  Not common, but it definitely seemed to happen sometimes.

• N Todd Bernhardt on Wed 4 Feb 2004, 08:24pm

  re: children with the same name

  Lest we forget (I know, you were probably *trying* to), pugilist and pitchman George Foreman has five sons who share the same name … their father’s. Yes, they are George Jr., George III, George IV, George V, and George VI. I’ll leave it up to you lot to make jokes about the madness of George III, the wanton ways of George IV, etc., etc.

  He even has a daughter named Frieda George Foreman. I ain’t lyin.

• N vicente on Sun 20 Jun 2004, 08:02pm

  Bardi: Thomas

• N Pedro on Thu 21 Jun 2007, 09:10pm

  The Gift.

  The Gift, Stewart says, and repeated in the background by the Vincente, is a ship of I6 guns and 128 tons. Also that there is a “Gift Minor”, but no source information is given.

  I can only find warships called the Great Gift and Little Gift both listed in the fleet for April 1665.

  As Sam is looking for a ship to take Sandwich’s deals would this be a warship or a merchantman? There are several merchantmen and warships that share the same name. Perhaps our nautical annotators may have a view?

  I will put more information on the “Gifts” in the background.