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Thursday 26 April 1660

This day came Mr. Donne back from London, who brought letters with him that signify the meeting of the Parliament yesterday. And in the afternoon by other letters I hear, that about twelve of the Lords met and had chosen my Lord of Manchester Speaker of the House of Lords (the young Lords that never sat yet, do forbear to sit for the present); and Sir Harbottle Grimstone, Speaker for the House of Commons. The House of Lords sent to have a conference with the House of Commons, which, after a little debate, was granted. Dr. Reynolds preached before the Commons before they sat. My Lord told me how Sir H. Yelverton (formerly my school-fellow) was chosen in the first place for Northamptonshire and Mr. Crew in the second. And told me how he did believe that the Cavaliers have now the upper hand clear of the Presbyterians. All the afternoon I was writing of letters, among the rest one to W. Simons, Peter Luellin and Tom Doling, which because it is somewhat merry I keep a copy of. After that done Mr. Sheply, W. Howe and I down with J. Goods into my Lord’s storeroom of wine and other drink, where it was very pleasant to observe the massy timbers that the ship is made of. We in the room were wholly under water and yet a deck below that. After that to supper, where Tom Guy supped with us, and we had very good laughing, and after that some musique, where Mr. Pickering beginning to play a bass part upon the viall did it so like a fool that I was ashamed of him. After that to bed.

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  • Sir Harbottle Grimstone

    This is the entry from the 1911 encylopedia: http://35.1911encyclopedia.org/G/GR/GRIMSTOL_SIR_HARBOTTLE.htm (Surname slightly mis-scanned.)

  • Sir Harbottle Grimstone?

    That has to be something out of Dickens. Or Wodehouse.

    By any chance has the “somewhat merry” letter survived?

  • “Somewhat merry” letter
    The L&M footnote to this is short and to the point: “Untraced.”

  • Q: letters and copies thereof…

    In order to make a copy did Sam need to rewrite the original or was there some sort of carbon paper available?

    As for office practices, would some letters forwarded by Sam to the Admiralty then be copied by a clerk for record keeping and/or the need to furnish duplicates to other offices?

  • copies

    I don’t know when carbon paper was invented, but even in Victorian times (well after this diary was written), copies were made by copying the original, by hand.

  • Carbon paper

    wasn’t invented until the beginning of the 19th century. http://www.kevinlaurence.net/essays/cc.shtml

  • It would be mighty tough to get a carbon copy from the pressure of a quill pen on the thick paper of the 17th centry.

  • James Watt’s copying machine

    “In 1780 he had patented what was probably the earliest form of copier, a press-copier which he marketed through his own company, James Watt & Co. The process involved writing with ink mixed with gum arabic. When a sheet of damp tissue paper was pressed against the manuscript, some of the ink stuck to it, creating a mirror image of the original on the tissue paper. By turning the copy over it could then be read through the tissue paper.”

    http://jquarter.members.beeb.net/morejwatt.htm

    Not any help to Pepys though. He must have kept summary records of the documents he issued and received even if he didn’t keep complete copies otherwise he would lose track of what he had done. On Saturday 21st April he made a point of mentioning that he kept the ‘very well writ’ letter from Mr Moore so that implies that he didn’t ordinarily retain letters.

  • “copy” Distribution if warranted it was type set and printed for posterity:

  • Ask a silly Q…

    and you get all the rt. answers. I knew of Watt’s machine but it is much later of course….

    I was really wondering whether we could tell from the diary entries aboard if Sam had someone he dictated to or who made clerk’s copies of some of his correspondence…although even if he had someone qualified/able, my impression is that Sam would not want to let a mere clerk into his confidence: he is his own confidant (and millions of readers are the beneficiaries!)…

  • Mr. Moore’s well writ letter

    could, of course, be a wholly private communication, as Moore is Sam’s own place-man in the Exchequer. In this case, Sam would be commenting on the exceptional preservation of a personal letter rather than the mere noting of its contents.

  • Thomas Jefferson
    also invented a copying machine which was essentially a duplicate pen yoked side by side to the pen (or perhaps pencil) with which the writer was actually writing, so that it simply reproduced the words on another piece of paper simultaneously. No extra work required except, I suppose, adding ink (or sharpening pencil). If I remember rightly you can see it at Jefferson’s house, Monticello.

  • This invention has since been rediscovered many times by schoolchildren condemned to write ‘lines’ as a punishment.

  • Ah yes line-writing machines. Some of the pupils at school with me in the 70’s were very inventive, producing wooden sticks with holes spaced a line’s height apart. Insert pens and away you go. I think someone made a 20 pen version, but it was rather unwieldy.

    Was’t there also a children’s toy based on the Jeffersonian idea, that allowed you to copy drawings, not only at their original size, but also enlarge them? What was that thing called?

  • Nigel, the device you are thinking of is called a pantograph. See http://users.hubwest.com/hubert/mrscience/pantograph.html for information on how to make one.

  • Today’s political happenings
    There are political cross-currents in today’s news that aren’t obvious on the surface.
    First, according to an L&M footnote, both Manchester and Grimstone are strong Presbyterians, who are thus now in leading positions in both houses. However, Montagu confides that after the elections “the Cavaliers have now the upper hand clear of the Presbyterians.” We see the results of this jockeying for power in the upcoming days.
    However, the most significant sentence in the entry is the short one about the concurrence between Lords and Commons. L&M explain in another footnote: “The Lords had sent a message proposing the concurrence of the Commons in keeping a fast on the following Monday. [See entry for 30 Apr.] By receiving the message the Commons recognised the legal existence of the Lords.” And just like that, there is an upper house again after more than a decade; no muss, no fuss, no bother.
    And note to LH: The sentence in L&M is that the young Lords had never “sot” yet, noted in the OED as a dialectal form of ‘sat’. I just love seeing the occasional odd verb form turn up in Pepys.

  • “Sot” ME - fool , an habitual Drunkard, besotted, make dull or stupid
    my take is “would be still be wet behind the ears”

    http://www.allaboutturkey.com/suleyman.htm

    “Suleyman the Magnificent 1494 -1556 known for his son
    he introduced coffee houses and other events,
    his son and Hurrem sultan wife most powerful
    Her son Selim was known as The Sot, became the next Sultan
    sat would be too PC

  • Emilio: Yes, I like “sot” too!
    (vincent: nothing to do with the noun)

  • Thanksgiving Day.
    Resolved, &c. That this Day Fortnight be set apart, for a Day of Thanksgiving to the Lord, for raising up his Excellency the Lord General, and other eminent Persons, who have been instrumental in Delivery of this Nation from Thraldom and Misery.
    Resolved, &c. That this Day Fortnight be set apart for a Day of Thanksgiving, for this House, the Cities of London and Westminster, and late Lines of Communication; and this Day Month, for the whole Nation.
    Resolved, &c. That the Lords Concurrence be desired herein; and that Mr. Herbert be sent up with this Message to the Lords.

    From: British History Online
    Source: House of Commons Journal Volume 8: 26 April 1660. Journal of the House of Commons: volume 8, (1802).
    URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=26175
    Date: 05/03/2005

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